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everything was great i thought uh well

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when you switched to geico you could

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and welcome back to paranormal now this

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is alan b smith your host and i have a

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fantastic guest one

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who has a reputation of being high

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energy and does not hold back on

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anything his name is renero hernandez

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and um we call him ray hernandez and um

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hold on just for a minute and we'll get

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to him um just as a friendly reminder

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aspects to it that are really

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interactive um okay so coming up to our

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guest uh mr ray hernandez ray is one of

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the four co-founders of free the dr

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edgar mitchell foundation for research

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into extraterrestrial encounters

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the other three co-founders are the late

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dr edgar mitchell dr rudy shield an

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emeritus professor of astrophysicist

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physicistic

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of astrophysics at harvard university

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and australian experiencer research mary

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the executive director of free is dr

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rudy shield

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ray and his entire family have had

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conscious physical contact according to

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with non-human intelligence in their

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family home all the family members have

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also had various contact with large ufos

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one time with a football stadium sized

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craft that was at a distance of

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only 30 feet from ray his daughter and

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three adult witnesses

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which hovered in silence over them for

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more than 45 minutes

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his family has also had numerous

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paranormal experiences

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all of these contact experiences began

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in march of 2012. before these

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rey was ignorant of ufos et contact and

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um and he was an atheist and material

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rationalist but is now a deeply

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spiritual person that has been

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it's funny that that's in rey's bio

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paranormal including ufos even if you

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believe in ufos as being

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strictly nuts and bolts aliens visiting

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there's a spiritual component

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to all of these mysteries that

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in um can't deny exists so ray welcome

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thank you alan um one additional items

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that's also in my bio

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berkeley for a phd

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abd all butt dissertation

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academic professor at a major university

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uh now for more than 20 years if it

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spiritual transformation are those two

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things unrelated

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those details it wasn't me it's a team

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academic research study

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definitely very much part of this

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co-write beyond ufos the science of

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contact with non-human intelligence

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uh being steered and guided by

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our retired academic professors

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and later on i could go into the you

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on very specific topic areas

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example of these of these many different

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topic areas what we discovered was that

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surveys the people actually answered

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that question it was 50 percent

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this is over a thousand individuals

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stated that they have had a healing a

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medical healing by non-human

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medical healing of our dog who we were

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uh doctor gave you the details later on

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afternoon was completely healed and was

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running around like a teenager

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disappeared

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in detail

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the night the night before our dog

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praying all night for a miracle at six

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pure energy multi-colored

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semi-translucent uh appeared in the

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my wife was not there anymore with the

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you know like she was in a pentecostal

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church you know saying hallelujah

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hallelujah the angels cured her okay

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and now that experience that i just told

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have checked off on the box yes i was

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medically healed by non-human

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intelligence and in phase three phase

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written responses to 70 open-ended

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almost 300 individuals to give us the

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details of their medical healings

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individuals that are have gone public

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later on but it's a very very common

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publicized so the two individuals that

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well known within this field one

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an emergency room physician his name is

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dr joseph burks

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and uh what better person to write a

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chapter on medical healings than a

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retired emergency room physician who

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was uh ran an emergency room in uh in

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los angeles the other person that's

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writing this book his name is preston

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dennett

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he has written

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more than 15 books on ufo related topic

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areas and one of the books he wrote uh

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15 years ago titled ufo healings

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and there he documented over 200 cases

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of individuals that have been medically

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healed by non-human

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intelligence

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so these are going to be the two authors

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that are going to be dictating the data

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from our research study

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and then writing up a chapter

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on healings medical healings but it's

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based off of the data

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so that's just one little example of of

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the invited guests how they're going to

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be extracting the data from our research

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study and writing chapters on that

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particular thematic topic area so that's

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very very interesting yeah because i i

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know that i know dr burke's uh

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personally he and i know each other

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pretty well actually because of uh epic

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voyages radio on the inception radio

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network he and i worked together um and

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i knew that he was he was writing a book

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but i didn't realize um that this is the

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same book that you're working on

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well he's not writing a book he's just

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right he's participating in it sure

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participating uh he's writing a chapter

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this book is going to have 25 chapters

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six of these chapters are going to be

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written

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uh by our uh retired scientists for them

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are physicists okay one is a professor

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of neuroscience and the other one is a

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professor of psychology these six

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chapters are going to be

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on the science of consciousness

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and how consciousness can begin to give

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you clues

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uh as to why all of what we're calling

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the paranormal

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contact modalities are interrelated

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they're not separate

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now what we refer to as the contact

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modalities these are the different ways

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that humans are piercing the veal and

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having contact with non-human

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intelligence for example ufo related

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contact

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near-death experiences

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out-of-body experiences

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channeling

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communications with ghosts and spirits

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okay um

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individuals that uh uh undergone uh

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hallucinogenic journeys via ayahuasca or

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mushrooms okay uh et cetera et cetera

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modalities

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where humans are having contact with

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non-human intelligence

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they're all interrelated from our

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perspective it's our hypotheses and it's

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a hypothesis that's shared by many

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many individuals

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in their respective fields like for

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example we've spoken with

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several individuals that are leading

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academics on near-death experiences they

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believe that nde's body experiences

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and the ones that do know about ufo

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content experiences that they're all

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interrelated for example dr kenneth ring

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an emeritus professor of psychology at

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the university of connecticut

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he's one of the top three

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academics that have researched

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near-death experiences for over 30 years

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okay uh he wrote a book um approximately

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18 years ago titled the omega project

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and in that book he that book entailed a

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statistical

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comparative analysis of roughly 100

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individuals that had ufo-related contact

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experiences

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with 100 individuals that had near-death

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experiences and we borrowed many of his

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articles on the transformat

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transformational aspects uh which he

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investigated

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and he also

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did a comparison of these two phenomena

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he believes that both of them are

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interrelated

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we have individuals

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i won't give you all the names but many

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individuals involved in paranormal

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research

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these are both

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academics these are parapsychologists um

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some ufologists not not many

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that believe that all of these different

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phenomena are interrelated so these six

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academics are writing articles for them

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are going to be physics-based

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articles

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okay we have uh three phd physicists in

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our in our organization and then um uh

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two of these other articles are gonna be

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more philosophical uh approaches to

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consciousness and contact and then one

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article will be a synthesis of both

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that we need both a physics-based

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approach and a theoretical philosophical

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approach

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okay and earlier you had mentioned two

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people um

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uh oh uh no no these are individual

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i was what i was referring to

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was the topic of medical healings there

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are two uh well-known individuals

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that have publicly spoken about their

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medical healings one is an ordained

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minister uh reverend michael carter

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and he has written two two books uh on

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his experiences

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and he's a full-time minister he has a

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congregation in asheville north carolina

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and

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he had a medical healing by a

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very tall human looking being

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he had been released from a hospital

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with a blood clot he had been treated at

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the hospital for uh an entire week

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and when he got home one leg was still

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twice the size as the other

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because of the blood clot that cut off

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circulation uh in a major uh um

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artery

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um and um

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so he had been home he was in a lot of

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pain so he started praying

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um for you know

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our our universal creator to

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help them believe the pain

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and then a few minutes later this he

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tall human-looking being appeared uh he

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was conscious he wasn't dreaming this is

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all real

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what a lot of people describe as

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palladian types these are with a long

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whitish hair um

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bluish eyes very muscular eight feet

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tall he opened his hand and an orb

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appeared a blue orb

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that orb then went into his body

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then he uh when he a couple of minutes

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later when he looked down i'm not i

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think he was knocked out i'm not sure of

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the specifics but when uh he looked down

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his leg was normal and he didn't have

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any pain

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and

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numerous individuals there's this other

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individual who was a retired dea federal

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agent there's this other academic

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professor who's not out out of the

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closet there's this other individual

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chris bledsoe who's publicly talked

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about uh his experience he had a crohn's

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disease

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which is uh pretty much an irreversible

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disease where your intestines get

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inflated so large

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that

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you have difficult eating

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lots of pain in your intestines tons of

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pain and he was living off disability he

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was collecting a disability check

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so uh

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one time there was an experience that

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was witnessed by five individuals five

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grown men

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where the ships appeared these beings

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appeared

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and he was gone for about six hours

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totally disappeared when he had returned

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he had missing time he thought he was

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gone for a few minutes ten minutes or so

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and um

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and all of a sudden he didn't have any

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pain in his intestines

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and he uh he went to his physician

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several days later because he had no

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pain they checked them out sent them to

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a specialist

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they did x-rays and other type of

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procedures on him so it's fully

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documented and his crohn's disease

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completely disappeared

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and we've literally have hundreds of

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these types of cases

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this other lady with skin cancer

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that's also fully documented and she's

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public her name is

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lauren kurth

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tons of cases it's just you know these

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are not things that publicly discussed

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so in this channel when these people

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come when they come forward um and they

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share things with with you

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do they

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share their medical records at all to

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say look here this really did happen to

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me

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well when in our survey we didn't ask

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for specific medical records but when we

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do

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follow up with these individuals

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they'll be presenting our medical

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records we ask them whether they have it

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and all of them said they did

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so you know for example with my dog

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we've got the medical records that he

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was taking a diuretic he was taking

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viagra for his heart we brought him in a

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few days after uh

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after she was healed because she was

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taking these you know viagra for her

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heart

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she was taking diuretics to flush out

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the excess liquids in in her body

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and so we didn't want her now to get

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sick you know because she's taking this

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medicine that was not necessary and he

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was totally shocked he said what

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happened to her and we told him we

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changed the diet so we do have those

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those medical records and many of these

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other people have their own medical

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records as well

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so um

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well i think that would be interesting

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if that is included in the in the book

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because the book is you know about the

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science of contact i don't know if

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there's a segment for that correct a

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section for that but that would be

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really interesting i think that would be

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very

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much more convincing than just taking

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people's word um especially for the

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skeptics well one one aspect in terms of

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these contact experiences that you need

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to be

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aware of and many of your uh your

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members is that the vast majority of

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these experiences have had witnesses

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for example um

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we've we've had over 2000 individuals

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that have seen ufos

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uh 63 of these cases

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have been multi-witness events

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okay for again the almost 2000

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individuals that have had direct

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physical contact with non-human

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intelligence almost 70 percent of these

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cases

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they've had

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a friend or a family member that has

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witnessed these experiences

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so

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uh like for example with my wife and i

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it was two different people

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well when we saw that craft outside the

575
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house it was five people that saw these

576
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:24,480
things it was three adults my daughter

577
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:25,520
and myself

578
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,870
another factor hopefully we can talk

579
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,120
about it later on but a lot of people

580
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,799
don't understand that

581
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:37,440
these beings

582
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,400
might be millions and millions of years

583
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:42,720
so far ahead of us okay

584
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:45,679
they are literally inside your mind

585
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,640
knowing

586
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:48,400
every one of your thoughts

587
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:51,840
they can control your thoughts

588
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,799
they're inside inside our minds

589
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:56,880
most definitely okay let me give you an

590
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,159
example okay this you you will hear if

591
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,760
you really talk to hundreds of

592
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,000
experiencers and you get the information

593
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:06,240
from our research study like we did you

594
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,280
will get

595
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,440
you know numerous of these examples of

596
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:11,919
very close contact experiences

597
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,080
let me give you an example from in my

598
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:16,159
case okay okay

599
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,039
um

600
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,200
and this is just an illustration of of

601
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,360
the hundreds and hundreds of responses

602
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:23,120
that we've gotten that were equally

603
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:24,159
similar

604
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:25,120
okay

605
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,360
my wife and i walked down the stairs

606
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,880
because she had wanted me to see this

607
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,240
object

608
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:34,000
this being that was in our living room

609
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:34,880
okay

610
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,320
so then um um

611
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:40,240
when we got down the stairs she was like

612
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,679
several steps

613
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:43,840
ahead of me show she was in front of me

614
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,159
and then uh all of a sudden she wasn't

615
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:48,799
there anymore with our dog

616
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,840
in instantaneously instantaneously i had

617
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,440
like tunnel vision

618
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,720
i could it's like you're looking at a

619
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,720
paris a periscope

620
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,720
okay you could only see you know in that

621
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,400
little round circle

622
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:02,799
i only had that and all of a sudden i

623
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:05,679
turned to the corner of our living room

624
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,159
and that's where i saw that

625
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,640
that floating plasma being

626
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:12,320
i couldn't see anything else on the

627
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,600
periphery

628
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,559
okay that's not normal all right the

629
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,000
next thing what i'm gonna tell you is

630
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,240
absolutely not normal at all okay i

631
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,799
looked at this floating plasma

632
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:24,320
thing i didn't i didn't know it was a

633
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:25,840
being at that time

634
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,000
and then um i i stared at it and then i

635
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:33,200
waved my hand at it and in my head i

636
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:34,000
said

637
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,679
ah [\h__\h]

638
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,760
this is what she got me up for for this

639
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:38,960
junk

640
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,480
ah you know and then i turned around

641
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:44,880
i walked up the stairs

642
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,760
totally not caring at all or totally

643
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,919
forgetting that my wife had disappeared

644
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,159
in front of me you know and the dog what

645
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,440
i had seen okay i walked up the stairs i

646
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,080
went to bed put my hands on my chest and

647
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:01,120
i was immediately put to sleep

648
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,000
okay

649
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,400
45 minutes later when i woke up i was

650
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,640
now fully conscious

651
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:07,760
okay

652
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:10,640
instantaneously was like what the hell

653
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:13,679
and then i ran down the stairs okay

654
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:16,720
after that experience for months i said

655
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,520
to myself why did i act that way why did

656
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:21,919
i act that way that wasn't rational it

657
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,400
wasn't logical you know i'm a deeply

658
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:27,039
rational person okay but you know why

659
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,480
didn't i act that way

660
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,279
it wasn't until six months later that a

661
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:32,960
second major experience happened to me

662
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,200
that was the one with that ufo craft

663
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,880
okay

664
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,320
with that experience of that of that

665
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,080
craft it was literally right on top of

666
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:42,799
my next door neighbor's house okay five

667
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,400
feet from the roof okay it was huge

668
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,400
and then there was mind control that

669
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,200
took place during this whole time period

670
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,440
okay i'm not going to give you all the

671
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:55,600
specifics of what took place i'll just

672
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,240
give you the last thing that took place

673
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,080
so you can get an illustration of this

674
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,400
thing of mind control that i told you

675
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,720
okay

676
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,320
they basically

677
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,559
told my friends to leave after watching

678
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,480
this for 10 minutes okay

679
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:12,400
they had told me basically to get my

680
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,679
daughter

681
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:15,760
come and see this okay

682
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:16,720
um

683
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,919
i had communicated some thoughts to the

684
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,000
craft they immediately changed their

685
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,240
apparitions because the light patterns

686
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,840
they had initially

687
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,520
my friends when they saw this thing they

688
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,440
were just questioning trying to come up

689
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:30,799
with explanations

690
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,279
of what they were watching okay and then

691
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,840
in my head after like they were

692
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,760
for a minute coming up with explanations

693
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:39,600
of what they were seeing

694
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,559
then i i tell you know in my mind i said

695
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,919
to them you know you better come up with

696
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,600
something better than this because my

697
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:48,240
friends still don't believe you know

698
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:49,039
uh

699
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:51,200
who you are you know they're trying to

700
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,240
um you know explain you away and then

701
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:56,480
all of a sudden the light patterns

702
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:57,600
changed

703
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,480
to like thousands and thousands of stars

704
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,120
that were blinking on and off like twice

705
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,440
a second and then some of them in

706
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,360
quadrants they would take their turns in

707
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,919
quadrant areas to power up and power

708
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:10,720
down

709
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,520
and and they were the each of the stars

710
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,400
were like 10 times the size of venus

711
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,799
blinking rapidly and then they would be

712
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:20,640
powering up to like maybe one-fourth the

713
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,360
size of the moon and then powering down

714
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,080
so now no one had doubt what the hell

715
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,960
this was this was not human okay

716
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:30,000
um

717
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,159
other example was how they got me to

718
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:35,600
finally leave

719
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:38,080
my friends had already left

720
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,600
and then the way they got me to leave

721
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:41,840
was that all of a sudden i felt that i

722
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,760
was being bitten by hundreds of

723
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:45,360
mosquitoes

724
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:49,200
this was august in uh 2013 in miami so

725
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,240
it's very hot and humid there's about 10

726
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,399
o'clock in the evening

727
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:56,159
and then um

728
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,679
after a minute of being eaten up by

729
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:59,520
these mosquitoes i grabbed my daughter's

730
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,320
hand

731
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:02,000
and i said uh come on sweetheart let's

732
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:03,679
go inside these mosquitoes are killing

733
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,559
me

734
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:06,559
so we go inside

735
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:07,360
and

736
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,399
we see

737
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:10,559
my wife and i'm telling my wife what had

738
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,760
happened

739
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,679
and i told her that we had to go inside

740
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,440
because these mosquitoes were eating me

741
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,320
up and then my daughter said daddy there

742
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,559
were no mosquitoes outside

743
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,720
and it was then it was like a hypnotist

744
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,559
like snapped his finger and said okay

745
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,279
kid wake up you know and then the person

746
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,440
that's hypnotized wakes up it was just

747
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,760
like that when my daughter said daddy

748
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,120
there were no mosquitoes outside it was

749
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:35,840
like boom i woke up out of my hypnotic

750
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:36,799
trance

751
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,919
and then i i i said oh my god and then i

752
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,080
realized what had happened i ran

753
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:45,279
downstairs i grabbed my my video camera

754
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,200
i grabbed a a photo uh a camera i ran

755
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,080
outside and that took less than a minute

756
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,640
and uh all of and then i looked nothing

757
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:56,000
was there

758
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:56,880
okay

759
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,760
so they put into my mind that i was

760
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,679
being attacked by these mosquitoes when

761
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,640
in actuality it never existed

762
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,840
okay

763
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,919
and then in my mind they told me to go

764
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,760
inside okay

765
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,919
and then once inside then they snapped

766
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,600
me out of that trance

767
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:15,600
and then i realized what was happening

768
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,159
that you will hear with almost every

769
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,720
type of close encounter experience

770
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:22,960
right i'll say this one thing earlier

771
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,679
you said okay this this part this is not

772
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,240
normal or this part this is not normal i

773
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,960
would say that none of this is normal

774
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,039
no but what i meant was that it wasn't

775
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,440
rational not that it was normal that you

776
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:37,919
thinking you thinking a certain way is

777
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:41,120
not the way i would think for example

778
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,039
bringing my daughter out there to see

779
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:45,360
this huge gigantic craft she had just

780
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,399
turned 10 uh 10 years old okay would a

781
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,640
rational father do that

782
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,120
no no and and that's and that's a really

783
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,039
scary thing and we're coming up to the

784
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,440
break so i'll ask you about that um how

785
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,360
do you feel about that this this idea

786
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:01,600
that there's something else inside your

787
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,880
mind can

788
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,640
influence you and and control your

789
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,480
thoughts i i find that kind of

790
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,399
terrifying but we'll get your take on it

791
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,919
it's not terrifying at all it's not

792
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,840
terrifying at all okay

793
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,520
we'll pick it up when we get back hold

794
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,520
on hold on right there um this is alan b

795
00:30:21,170 --> 00:30:17,360
smith for paranormal now um we'll be

796
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:21,180
right back after a quick break

797
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,000
[Music]

798
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,559
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799
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:36,960
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show you my first ever painting all

807
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right okay

808
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,960
open your eyes oh that's a lot of colors

809
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,440
and shades so be honest what do you

810
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,799
think well uh i like how if you switch

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00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,080
to geico you could save hundreds of

812
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:08,080
dollars on car insurance oh yeah that's

813
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,520
that's true yeah here why don't i hold

814
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,600
your paintbrush while you call them

815
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,000
geico because saving 15 or more on car

816
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insurance is always a great answer

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and much more just visit the itunes

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store or the google play marketplace and

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you didn't forget what's coming up

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00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,399
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00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,840
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00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:03,509
and welcome back to paranormal now

831
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:06,640
tonight my guest is ray hernandez and um

832
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:07,840
whether you're listening to this in the

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live broadcast or the podcast

834
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,399
this is going to be a thrilling

835
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:15,039
conversation to be sure if you're just

836
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tuning in

837
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:22,230
a paranormal experience

838
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,679
where one's mind is controlled by

839
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,919
another intelligence um we'll get more

840
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,000
into that um taking us out of the break

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00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,960
was white flag by dido

842
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:34,799
you can always follow us

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846
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,799
um and ray before we pick up where would

847
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,240
you like people to go to find out more

848
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:49,440
about yourself and uh free

849
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:52,080
the free organization the website is

850
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,789
that's e-x-p-e-r-i-e-n-c-e-r

851
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,710
dot o-r-g

852
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:05,120
and make sure that you get on our

853
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:14,550
okay what about facebook

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00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,359
uh well we have a facebook site uh

855
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,679
for experiencers to communicate and chat

856
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,760
with each other

857
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,919
and you could just

858
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,240
type in free experiencer but

859
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:29,280
uh the the the main site is our website

860
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:30,879
because that's the uh the science side

861
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:32,839
of our work

862
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,679
okay free is a 501c3 academic research

863
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:39,679
institute um

864
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,320
where we're not really here to um

865
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,560
um you know to

866
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,720
uh to focus on telling experiences

867
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,639
stories you know we're here to undertake

868
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,480
uh academic research that's never been

869
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,560
undertaken before and hopefully we'll

870
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:54,800
get a major time later on to talk about

871
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,599
that

872
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,200
and we'll we'll talk yeah exactly we'll

873
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:58,960
talk about that coming up um but let's

874
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,760
let's continue where we left off um

875
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,440
you saying you said before we left that

876
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,160
it's not terrifying um can you to have

877
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,079
your mind

878
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:10,240
influenced or controlled by another

879
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:13,920
intelligence how is that not terrifying

880
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,720
well a lot of people once they see a

881
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:18,320
huge craft like that

882
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,720
immediately uh our lives are fear driven

883
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,160
correct or not

884
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,880
okay you see a being that's not a human

885
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,480
looking being right next to you

886
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,880
immediately fear kicks in

887
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,400
yeah i would i would agree with that i

888
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,270
the vast majority of individuals

889
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,200
actually 85

890
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,520
in our survey have stated that their

891
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:43,680
contact experiences with non-human

892
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,400
intelligent beings have been positive

893
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,839
that's 85

894
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,920
now does the internet portray that

895
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:51,200
information

896
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,000
no

897
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:54,000
we ask them a question do you want your

898
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,280
contact experiences to stop

899
00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:00,079
84 percent said no

900
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,440
we asked them do you believe that

901
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,599
non-human intelligent beings are bad or

902
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,839
malevolent

903
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:07,119
91

904
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,560
said no

905
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:09,920
okay

906
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,040
we also um ask them you know how

907
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,880
these contact experiences with these

908
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:19,119
non-human intelligent beings change your

909
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,160
life

910
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,960
and we gave them various options okay

911
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,720
four point three percent said it was

912
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,560
highly negative effect on changing their

913
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,320
life

914
00:36:33,630 --> 00:36:29,839
6.7

915
00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:33,640
said it was slightly negative effect

916
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,320
16.5 percent said it was neutral

917
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:39,680
21.7 percent said it was slightly

918
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,599
positive but a whopping 51 percent said

919
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:46,000
it was highly positive effect in

920
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:50,079
changing their life okay we also asked

921
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:53,440
individuals that have had um what are

922
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,280
called um uh uh abduction type of cases

923
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,800
whether uh individuals that have been

924
00:37:01,829 --> 00:37:01,040
taken and relocated to another place

925
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,839
okay

926
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:03,680
we asked them how would you

927
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,040
categorize your experience okay and we

928
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,200
had five different questions okay let me

929
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,119
start with the most negative kind

930
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,040
eight point three percent said it was a

931
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,440
case of abduction of the most negative

932
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,880
kind

933
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:18,960
thirteen point five percent says it was

934
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:22,480
a case of abduction but a milder kind a

935
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:25,040
slightly more caring kind

936
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,240
8.6 it was still a case of abduction but

937
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:30,560
we're seeking permission

938
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,079
more humane compassionate treatment

939
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,400
now this is where the stuff that

940
00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:38,000
uh the social media does not even

941
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:39,880
discuss at all

942
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:43,680
35.1 said you are not an abductee but a

943
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:46,400
contact team where you are being treated

944
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:49,599
with respect and understanding

945
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,359
and another 34.4 percent said it's a

946
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:56,160
case of being a conscious contactee an

947
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,359
egalitarian an equal relationship

948
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,839
okay so i could go on and on with these

949
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:02,880
types of

950
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,680
of similar responses

951
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,359
the last response well let me just say

952
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,200
this the last response i think is is

953
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,320
telling um in in terms of egalitarian

954
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:14,560
because i was going to ask you

955
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:15,920
um

956
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,720
even if it's a positive experience

957
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,040
is can you not argue that it's unethical

958
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,680
to just come into someone's mind

959
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:26,160
though you would be in that category of

960
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,599
the um eight percent that sort of might

961
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:32,000
see it as highly negative okay

962
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,119
well i'm not saying i'm not saying it

963
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,680
was a negative experience but just

964
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:37,520
unethical

965
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,119
because i'm not it's like in my home

966
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:45,359
lessons of spirituality you're being

967
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,079
brought to other dimensions right you're

968
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,480
being told not to pollute your planet

969
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,040
you're being told that uh the nuclear

970
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,280
proliferation of our planet might lead

971
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:57,440
to yours your destruction

972
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,079
okay on and on and on we're told that we

973
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:03,280
need to uh be more loving of each other

974
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,160
okay

975
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,480
we ask these questions how many uh were

976
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:08,000
you taught things of these specific

977
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:09,440
beings and then we asked specific

978
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,599
questions okay all these things that i'm

979
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,040
telling you i could go on and discuss

980
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,320
those specifics later on um

981
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,480
for uh for example a thousand six

982
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:20,880
hundred individuals have received

983
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,560
telepathic messages okay of these uh a

984
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:26,960
thousand and ten have been downloads of

985
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:29,839
advanced science physics and technology

986
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,160
okay out of these um sixty percent uh

987
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,240
were uh um

988
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,240
were these types of communication sixty

989
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:40,560
eight percent were personally relevant

990
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:44,400
information related to the person 51

991
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,520
pertain to spiritual issues

992
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:49,200
51

993
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:53,440
pertain to metaphysical or spirituality

994
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:56,800
35 percent were scientific and technical

995
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,440
in nature okay forty five percent

996
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,760
concerned human behavior

997
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,640
okay

998
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,800
uh you see what i'm getting at so the

999
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:05,599
the

1000
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:12,079
interfering with me i have my own free

1001
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:13,040
will

1002
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,680
okay um these are the people that

1003
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,280
answered these responses of in a

1004
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,599
negative way because these are people

1005
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,119
are saying look who are these entities

1006
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,119
that come into my life here i am going

1007
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,599
to the local soccer match or i'm going

1008
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:27,599
to go to a pub and drink with my buddies

1009
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,880
and all of a sudden they give me a

1010
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,720
download you know uh they should be

1011
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:32,000
interfering like that they have to give

1012
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,920
me my permission you know before they

1013
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:36,079
take me to another location i need to

1014
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,000
give permission well those people are in

1015
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,720
the extreme minority uh perspective the

1016
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,040
vast majority do not view their

1017
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,200
experiences that way

1018
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,359
um yeah i guess one way to look at it

1019
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,680
would be

1020
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:51,680
i could invite you into my home

1021
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,560
or i could come home and you have

1022
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:56,720
let yourself in or broken in

1023
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,750
they didn't break in they didn't let in

1024
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:03,599
the vast major people are saying the

1025
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,400
total opposite of that presentation it

1026
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:08,480
was like an invitation or

1027
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,839
most of the people now are inviting them

1028
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,960
after they're

1029
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:13,920
how does that

1030
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:16,880
they're coming into your mind what is

1031
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,680
that

1032
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,200
i'm from what you're saying it sounds

1033
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:20,880
like it's not forceful that's not that's

1034
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,680
not what i'm saying either um but is it

1035
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,800
like

1036
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:26,160
let me tell you

1037
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:31,030
my wife

1038
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:32,480
was praying

1039
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,359
for quote-unquote angelic intervention

1040
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,520
okay uh-huh you could see this as an

1041
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,560
angel she sees them as angels okay

1042
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,800
they came they cured our dog which was

1043
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,160
like our first daughter

1044
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,520
we were going to be putting her to sleep

1045
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:46,960
putting her to death

1046
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,000
okay they brought her back to life

1047
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,589
that's that's one example okay oh yeah

1048
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:56,880
and i think that that's what i was

1049
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,359
thinking about in terms of there's only

1050
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:01,280
really one exception where humans allow

1051
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,960
this in our

1052
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,400
shared experience and that would be the

1053
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,680
divine

1054
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:07,599
you know it's it's we speak of the

1055
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,800
divine and that behavior is okay so

1056
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,480
is there something divine about these

1057
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,480
guys are they

1058
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,880
not quite material in the sense that

1059
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,400
that we think of them

1060
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,640
well the vast majority of these beings

1061
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:23,040
again the internet is full with so much

1062
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,359
trash and let me get back to this very

1063
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,440
very important point that i want you to

1064
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:28,880
understand and the listeners to

1065
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:33,200
understand no one has ever undertaken

1066
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:36,480
a comprehensive academic study

1067
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:40,880
of ufo-related contact experiencers

1068
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:48,710
our work is the very first

1069
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:51,839
okay so therefore anyone that has

1070
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,480
preconclusions about what is really

1071
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,599
going on

1072
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,359
they're totally clueless

1073
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,680
because well i do i did notice that the

1074
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,520
mufon seems to be i don't know if

1075
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,880
they're following in your footsteps but

1076
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,960
it seems to be that they're collecting

1077
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:06,160
um

1078
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,839
data now

1079
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:09,440
in your footsteps

1080
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,839
well what happened was that roughly two

1081
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:13,760
and a half years later after we launched

1082
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:17,680
our study mufon launched um

1083
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,240
it was it's not similar okay it's it's

1084
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,359
focused on abductions that's one thing

1085
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:25,119
our study found out

1086
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,480
that

1087
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,880
the abduction type of scenarios

1088
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,800
where people are being taken against

1089
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:31,920
their will

1090
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:34,720
are only one-third of the cases

1091
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,599
okay

1092
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:37,760
two-thirds of the cases are individuals

1093
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,480
that have seen ufos

1094
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,480
and have had contact with non-human

1095
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:43,920
intelligence

1096
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,560
but they have no abduction scenarios

1097
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:47,920
whatsoever

1098
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:50,880
okay so the mufon case is focusing on

1099
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,200
that abduction scenario then

1100
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:55,680
these are only people that go to move on

1101
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,720
okay

1102
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,640
many many people will not go to mufon

1103
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,160
for many reasons which i will not

1104
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:02,880
discuss publicly okay

1105
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,480
so again it's it's a very self-selective

1106
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,640
type of data that you're getting there

1107
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,319
also the type of questions that are

1108
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:11,920
asked in that survey

1109
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,079
are not anywhere near in terms of the

1110
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,680
volume of the questions we asked we

1111
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:18,240
asked almost 600 questions okay

1112
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,839
and plus we're asking 70 open-ended

1113
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:23,359
questions uh on that

1114
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,319
um

1115
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,319
so it's it's it's comparing apples and

1116
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,560
oranges two totally different uh

1117
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:30,800
scenarios but basically ours

1118
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,160
um ours is the first study that has this

1119
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,720
data that we can then publicly state for

1120
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,119
example did you know that the number one

1121
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,440
type of being that people are seeing is

1122
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,359
the energy being

1123
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,880
okay and how does one describe the

1124
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:46,079
energy being

1125
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,880
the energy the the uh is described in

1126
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:50,800
many different ways some people

1127
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:53,760
describe like a humanoid type of being

1128
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,040
but filled of pure energy with radiance

1129
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,359
other people describe it

1130
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,599
multiple different ways okay but we did

1131
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:04,079
have many different categories okay we

1132
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,839
had uh the tall grays the small grays

1133
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,000
a human looking type of being no matter

1134
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,640
what size it is we had the insectoid we

1135
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,880
had the reptilians

1136
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,880
we had

1137
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:19,599
a tall animal type of being small animal

1138
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,319
type of being we had the spirit form it

1139
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,000
looks like a ghost

1140
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,079
or a spirit

1141
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:28,160
um let me see what else uh we had like

1142
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,200
the orb

1143
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,079
type of entity uh but the number one

1144
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,480
type of of uh non-human intelligence

1145
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,000
that people saw

1146
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,560
was a an energy being and that was

1147
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:40,079
described in multiple different ways

1148
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,760
that was at 55 percent okay the number

1149
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:45,359
two type of being that people are

1150
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:48,560
describing was the human looking being

1151
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,920
okay that was at 52 percent

1152
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,520
right if you don't mind let me ask you

1153
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,720
because because like you said the

1154
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,280
internet is full of trash and so i don't

1155
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,040
always know what is the trash and what

1156
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,760
isn't um according to you

1157
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,520
trash is no one has ever done this type

1158
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,680
of study before so if anyone's thrown

1159
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,160
for example there's a website here on

1160
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,200
facebook that talks about uh reptilians

1161
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,200
okay the evil reptilians or something

1162
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,839
like that and one guy uh says they're

1163
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,680
all evil they're all negative all of

1164
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:19,760
these experiences like that and so i

1165
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:21,520
posted in there i said look this is a

1166
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:25,680
pie chart of the 534 people that had

1167
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,079
experiences with reptilians that shows

1168
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,720
that 22 and a half percent describe

1169
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,200
their experience as negative and then i

1170
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,359
said in phase three the ones that

1171
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,960
described their experiences with the

1172
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:39,119
reptilians the vast majority said that

1173
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,800
these reptilians did not do anything

1174
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,560
negative to them it's just that it

1175
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,720
scared the giving living daylights out

1176
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,800
of them because these reptilian beings

1177
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,480
are like eight feet tall they're like

1178
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,480
300 pounds they look like football

1179
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,880
players they're ugly as all hell you

1180
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,040
know they look like a crocodile or right

1181
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,359
next to you and it it's you know that

1182
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,520
you'll be you know pissing in your pants

1183
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:01,920
you know seeing these things okay so

1184
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,400
that's why the main reason why they

1185
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,960
describe that experience as negative not

1186
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,960
that that being did anything negative to

1187
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,960
them but yet no one knows these things

1188
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,640
because no one's done this study before

1189
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,160
but we have

1190
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:16,079
well since you've done a study i i

1191
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:17,520
really do have to wonder because often

1192
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:20,079
when people report human entities that

1193
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,760
they that they see that are alien

1194
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,599
entities um

1195
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,160
they're mostly nordic or white in the

1196
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:28,400
description caucasian light hair and i

1197
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,119
just think that is that is that odd or

1198
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:32,800
no no we've had all different types of

1199
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,440
shades and colors uh we've had these

1200
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:37,359
beings described as a

1201
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:40,160
asiatic we have a couple describe them

1202
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,760
as as as uh like african-american

1203
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,599
okay um

1204
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,280
does that matter but who's who's

1205
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,280
reporting it i mean you know

1206
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:51,599
is it you know white people do they

1207
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,400
report white aliens or

1208
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:56,000
we have this white man

1209
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,760
okay from latin america

1210
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:00,400
okay who's married to a white woman all

1211
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,760
these kids are all white most of his

1212
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,920
social friends i know this guy are are

1213
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,240
white okay he's had an experience with

1214
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,640
this black you know being that appeared

1215
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,240
to him very tall

1216
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:11,760
so what does that tell us about this

1217
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:13,760
this alien race i mean they're

1218
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,119
they do they all all these um varieties

1219
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:19,520
come from the same planet or

1220
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,160
you know like we do

1221
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,000
you know that's one hypotheses that are

1222
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,920
out there that there are literally

1223
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:27,839
thousands of different types of beings

1224
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:30,800
interacting with us okay another uh

1225
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,440
theory that is out there is that many of

1226
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,760
these entities

1227
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,000
might not be different entities it might

1228
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,319
just be one type of being that's

1229
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,200
holographically projecting uh what we're

1230
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,680
looking at okay for example a lot of

1231
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:47,680
people in their interactions they're

1232
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,079
seeing owls that are like six feet tall

1233
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,119
they're seeing uh these deers you know

1234
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:55,200
uh little tiny deers all of a sudden a

1235
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:58,240
little gray comes out of it okay um so

1236
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,680
it's these these

1237
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:02,240
morphings of of of visions of what

1238
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,440
they're seeing

1239
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:05,680
changes into something else okay there

1240
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:08,240
are hundreds of these types of cases so

1241
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:08,960
at

1242
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,599
launched this four years ago

1243
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,440
we've been collecting the data for for

1244
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,839
about four years but in terms of the

1245
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,599
in-depth analysis the in-depth

1246
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:23,760
interviews with these individuals we

1247
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,480
haven't done these in-depth interviews

1248
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,640
uh as of now because we're just

1249
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,040
finishing the phase three of of our

1250
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,359
study you know we're doing basically the

1251
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,599
the the quantitative and the qualitative

1252
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,440
aspect of our research

1253
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,079
so um we are

1254
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,400
are going to be undertaking additional

1255
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:44,800
research as as we move forward but we're

1256
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:47,599
still in the infinite stages

1257
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,880
i feel like someone else has something

1258
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,079
that they feel like they need to share

1259
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,319
in the background there yes

1260
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:55,200
you want me to stop

1261
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,000
talking

1262
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,240
a little bit

1263
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,839
well it's going to be live in the air so

1264
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,680
that's your call

1265
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,599
we have guests that that came

1266
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:05,680
and uh apparently the their boy is

1267
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,000
playing with the dog so i did tell my

1268
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:09,599
wife to shut them up a little while ago

1269
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:10,720
so we'll see

1270
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,599
okay

1271
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,880
fair enough

1272
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,000
all right we'll have to get too harsh

1273
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:16,160
but and i'm sure you won't be um so the

1274
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,760
book um i think when it comes out

1275
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,440
my my guess is

1276
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:23,359
um because i know the amount of time and

1277
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,559
work that you've personally put into

1278
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,720
creating awareness about free and i know

1279
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:30,160
all the people that are participating in

1280
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:31,520
this book

1281
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,480
you will all collectively help to get it

1282
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:36,319
out into the public domain and uh so

1283
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:38,000
anyway i'm saying that i think it will

1284
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,880
sell

1285
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:40,720
and i think because of that

1286
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:43,599
i think that you will

1287
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,280
get a spotlight and i think you will

1288
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,640
come under

1289
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:48,960
intense scrutiny

1290
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:51,760
um some fairly and some who are just

1291
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,040
debunkers right off the bat um so i hope

1292
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,000
that indeed the book really

1293
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,200
is ironclad as scientific as possible

1294
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:03,599
well you have to understand these things

1295
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:06,640
you cannot put it into a test tube

1296
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,599
okay

1297
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,680
well it's like psychology and and you do

1298
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,440
have people on board that can help you

1299
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,440
with that yeah yeah this is not

1300
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,200
parapsychology where you get an

1301
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:17,680
individual you put him in some type of

1302
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,480
of of a screening device and then you

1303
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,200
undertake uh different types of um of

1304
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:24,960
turret cards experiments to see if

1305
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:27,599
there's telepathy going on you know this

1306
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:30,079
type of phenomenon cannot be undertaken

1307
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,200
at that level um it has to be based upon

1308
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,520
uh witness testimony and then there's

1309
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,599
certain cases that are multiple witness

1310
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,200
cases which are much stronger than

1311
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,599
others also a

1312
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:44,160
person's background we've had many

1313
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,680
academics

1314
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:47,760
that we know are experiences medical

1315
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,559
doctors okay physicists

1316
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:52,000
half of our board members are

1317
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,520
experiencers except they're not public

1318
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:55,359
about it and i already told you we've

1319
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,200
got seven retired phd academics uh as

1320
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:01,440
formal members of free

1321
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,880
and many individuals that are

1322
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,800
associates of free

1323
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,280
but they're not out in the open because

1324
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,079
they're still academic professors okay

1325
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,079
and and because of this fear and

1326
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,800
ridicule so it is a valid phenomenon but

1327
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,240
as i said before these are not things

1328
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,480
that you can quote unquote

1329
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:22,559
uh study this scientifically in a

1330
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:25,280
materialist way okay when we're talking

1331
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:28,000
about consciousness okay uh let me use

1332
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,839
that as a topic discussion okay

1333
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,599
um there's the debate in terms of what

1334
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:35,520
is consciousness you have one camp

1335
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,119
there's the whole material aside the

1336
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,640
consciousness starts and ends in the

1337
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,720
brain okay and then you have all this

1338
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:42,559
new research that's saying that look you

1339
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,640
know consciousness does not start in the

1340
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,400
end of the brain it's non-local

1341
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:48,720
it's much more complicated than that the

1342
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,359
this type of arena you just can't put in

1343
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,280
a little laboratory in the test tube and

1344
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,319
be able to research okay but you do that

1345
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,480
uh the the ontology of that research is

1346
00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:00,400
done through the experiencer like for

1347
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,760
example you get all these people that

1348
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,960
are having all these near-death

1349
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:04,319
experiences these out-of-body

1350
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:07,920
experiences the remote viewers um

1351
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,319
that type of testimony is collaborative

1352
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:12,559
information that you know there is

1353
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,760
consciousness

1354
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:15,760
outside of your body

1355
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:17,119
and so that's the type of work that

1356
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:20,319
we're doing now in terms of our book our

1357
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:22,400
book is going to be a paradigm changing

1358
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,280
book

1359
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,920
and we're going to be having very few

1360
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,200
people that are actually going to

1361
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:29,520
understand it because first of all we're

1362
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,040
going to be arguing

1363
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:33,359
that um uh this perspective this

1364
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:34,720
phenomenon

1365
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,119
via the lens of consciousness

1366
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:39,520
okay which is not the lens that most of

1367
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:42,079
the paranormal people look at it the

1368
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,599
ufologist people the nde people etc etc

1369
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,280
we're also going to be approaching this

1370
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:49,520
through the the topic of the contact

1371
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,960
modalities that all of of these uh

1372
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,119
modalities of contact with non-human

1373
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,359
intelligence should not be studied

1374
00:54:02,790 --> 00:53:59,520
separately and individually but they

1375
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:02,800
should be studied as one uh phenomenon

1376
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,680
that's interrelated okay again

1377
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,760
not a lot of people going to understand

1378
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:09,440
that okay

1379
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,400
thirdly

1380
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,240
the actual data results the data

1381
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:14,960
findings that we have gathered run

1382
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:17,839
counter to what is all the [\h__\h]

1383
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:20,559
that's circulating in the internet okay

1384
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,079
why because no one has done this type of

1385
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:26,880
academic research study before

1386
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:27,680
okay

1387
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,800
this is a team of numerous retired phd

1388
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:33,119
academics that developed a research

1389
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,839
methodology this is not just some

1390
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:38,160
joe schmo off of some trailer that's

1391
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,800
written 40 books on ufos you know that's

1392
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,359
doing this these are retired academic

1393
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,839
professors that have had a whole history

1394
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:47,680
of developing academic research

1395
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,440
methodology we have a phd statistician

1396
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,000
okay who is a professor of statistical

1397
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:56,319
analysis that's working with us his name

1398
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:00,640
is dr russell scalpone he has

1399
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,440
statistically validated our research

1400
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:05,760
data one way he did that was that he

1401
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,040
compared the research findings by

1402
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:11,839
geographic area he compared europe he

1403
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,119
compared latin america he compared

1404
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,280
the united states the entire north

1405
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:18,960
america

1406
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:21,520
he broke out the folks from the uk the

1407
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,400
folks from uh from australia and what he

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00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:26,400
found was that in all of these different

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00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,920
geographic uh areas the data remained

1410
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:31,760
consistent

1411
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,559
okay

1412
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:35,119
the people said that it was positive

1413
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,319
this 85

1414
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,400
was consistent throughout all of these

1415
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:40,720
geographic areas okay

1416
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,520
one reason for that was that the way we

1417
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,920
advertise this uh the responses for

1418
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:47,680
people to take the survey

1419
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:51,920
we advertised it in over uh uh 110

1420
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:53,839
different radio shows

1421
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,480
okay you name the radio show a member of

1422
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,799
our free board was on that radio show

1423
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,160
multiple times

1424
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:02,480
advertising people to take our survey

1425
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:05,359
we sent it out to all of the mufon

1426
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:06,480
directors

1427
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,440
star team all of the organizations that

1428
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:13,200
are working on the paranormal all the

1429
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:15,040
research that are out there we can get

1430
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,680
emails on all of the ufologists all of

1431
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,520
the near-death experiences all of the

1432
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:22,079
out-of-body organizations and we got

1433
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,280
mailing lists from all of these

1434
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,960
different individuals we had mailing

1435
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,359
lists that was over 6 000 names that we

1436
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:29,760
sent it out to and then

1437
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:32,720
for over a three year period we posted

1438
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,839
it on facebook to over 500 facebook

1439
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:37,359
sites

1440
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,799
every two weeks

1441
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,319
okay so let me

1442
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,559
let me put it to you this way i mean you

1443
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:44,640
did touch on that um

1444
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:45,920
the book

1445
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,319
if i am a sociologist or a psychologist

1446
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,760
i often

1447
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:53,520
have to deal with

1448
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,000
data that is not repeatable

1449
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:58,640
it's reported experiences within a

1450
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:01,520
society or in a person's um subjective

1451
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:05,760
life um so so there is a

1452
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:08,240
science to studying you know things that

1453
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,200
are not

1454
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,119
repeatable i get my so my question is if

1455
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:13,599
a sociologist or psychologist looks at

1456
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,680
your work are they going to say they did

1457
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,240
the best with what they had to work with

1458
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:20,160
okay let me respond to that

1459
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:21,520
one of the members that developed our

1460
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:24,960
research methodology dr john clemo

1461
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,799
he taught at the university level

1462
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,480
qualitative

1463
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:32,640
methodology

1464
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,760
okay

1465
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,839
how do we interview people in groups

1466
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:38,079
he's never had a uh

1467
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:41,520
so many uh individuals to work with as

1468
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,640
in our research study most of uh he's uh

1469
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,200
has ch has been the chairperson for over

1470
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,400
200 phd dissertations

1471
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,280
75 of those have been on some aspect of

1472
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,040
the paranormal

1473
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,200
okay he's one of the few

1474
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,079
phds that are out there that their

1475
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:02,160
specialty is the paranormal

1476
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:03,359
okay

1477
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:04,799
most of the people in the paranormal

1478
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:07,839
field do not know very little about the

1479
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,559
academic work on the paranormal some do

1480
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,040
the vast majority don't okay so they

1481
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,599
might not know of of dr clemo's work in

1482
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:17,680
his field but if you ask

1483
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,480
anyone uh that's an academic level that

1484
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:22,079
has written any type of article

1485
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:23,839
associated to the paranormal they know

1486
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,920
dr climo very well okay now he taught as

1487
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:30,480
i said qualitative research methodology

1488
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,000
for over 40 years okay we also have a

1489
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:36,559
phd statistician who's also a

1490
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:39,280
psychologist who worked for over 40

1491
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:40,319
years

1492
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,920
okay for major fortune 500 companies

1493
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,359
mainly

1494
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,200
medical institutions

1495
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:49,200
he was the one that supervised all these

1496
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:50,480
statistical

1497
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:54,559
research for these major medical studies

1498
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,079
for example when they first tested out

1499
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:58,720
viagra let's use that as an example okay

1500
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,640
they literally had thousands of people

1501
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,880
that they had tested it on okay he would

1502
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:04,480
gather all that data

1503
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:05,920
he developed the whole methodology of

1504
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:08,000
how to test that and gathered all that

1505
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,280
data and then all did all the

1506
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,520
statistical analysis based upon that

1507
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:13,440
data he did this from major medical

1508
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:16,400
institutions and he also taught at major

1509
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:20,319
universities as well okay so we've got

1510
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,880
both the quantitative side

1511
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,079
addressed

1512
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,640
at the highest academic level and the

1513
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:28,319
qualitative side of our research at the

1514
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:30,160
highest academic level

1515
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,720
so if anyone tries to criticize our

1516
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:34,480
research methodology

1517
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:37,760
these people have no understanding of

1518
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,400
academic research

1519
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:42,799
so if they try to come at you with a um

1520
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,280
a gotcha question let's just say some

1521
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:47,119
show some show you know we'll throw an

1522
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,280
adam bomb on there because we've got

1523
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,680
maybe uh you know a ton of academics

1524
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,079
retired academics um that developed the

1525
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,400
research methodology and that are on our

1526
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:58,880
board of directors

1527
01:00:01,190 --> 01:00:00,240
right because you know i was thinking i

1528
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:01,200
mean

1529
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:02,960
again this this is not linda moulton

1530
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:03,839
howe

1531
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,400
doing a book on experiences

1532
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:07,680
okay

1533
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:09,040
this is right and

1534
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:11,119
richard dolan who's writing the history

1535
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:18,230
let's hold it right there i'm gonna ask

1536
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,359
you when we

1537
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:21,359
when we get back to about

1538
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:24,960
what you think about the lay person who

1539
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,400
um investigates and um you know

1540
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:30,640
documents and researches

1541
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:34,160
these odd phenomena um so stay tuned

1542
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:35,440
everybody we'll be right back this is

1543
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:37,119
alan b smith for paranormal now on the

1544
01:00:43,980 --> 01:00:39,520
inception radio network

1545
01:01:01,720 --> 01:00:43,990
and our guest is ray hernandez a free

1546
01:01:01,730 --> 01:01:05,109
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01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,309
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01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,319
tonight did you hi inception radio

1549
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:10,480
network listeners this is amanda never

1550
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,839
miss that interview you were looking

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01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:13,520
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01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:20,319
you're listening to love advice with

1555
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,960
leanne caller you're on the air uh hi

1556
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:24,960
leanne long time listener first time

1557
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:26,000
caller

1558
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:27,920
why in your professional opinion do you

1559
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:30,160
never take my calls off the air is this

1560
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:31,200
carl

1561
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,839
everything was great i thought uh well

1562
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,200
you know

1563
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,280
when you switch to geico you could save

1564
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:41,599
a lot of money on car insurance okay

1565
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:43,760
awesome you should call them i will

1566
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:46,240
geico because saving 15 or more on car

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01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,799
insurance is always a great answer

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01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,400
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01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:54,799
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1572
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:03,670
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1573
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,079
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01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:08,559
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1582
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:35,589
and welcome back to paranormal now this

1583
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:37,680
is alan b smith on the inception radio

1584
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:39,920
network um taking us out of the break

1585
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:42,160
was hold me through me kiss me kill me

1586
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:44,559
by you too and my guest tonight is ray

1587
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:46,880
hernandez um

1588
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:49,359
ray i wanted to pick up where we left

1589
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:50,160
off

1590
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:53,039
if you can tell me what you think

1591
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:56,319
about lay researchers who even the most

1592
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:58,000
well intended

1593
01:04:01,990 --> 01:03:59,920
but don't have a scientific background

1594
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,000
or not paranormal academics like you had

1595
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:04,559
mentioned before

1596
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:06,559
well what they'll be getting

1597
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:09,839
let's say for example let's take

1598
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,119
david jacobs okay he interviewed 15

1599
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:15,599
people for his last book

1600
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:17,440
his last book that hybrids are taking

1601
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,599
all over the world okay

1602
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:21,920
um he didn't even interview them he put

1603
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:24,880
them under hypnotic regression okay so

1604
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:27,440
these are people that came to him

1605
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:29,200
this is no random selection here

1606
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,839
whatsoever these are people came to him

1607
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:33,680
most of the people that go to him know

1608
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:36,000
that he views all these entities as

1609
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:38,720
primarily negative and evil okay

1610
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:40,240
so you if you're going to go to david

1611
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,839
jacobs you already have this perspective

1612
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:43,680
that these entities are negative and

1613
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:44,559
evil

1614
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:46,880
on top of that

1615
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:49,280
almost all of these people uh that that

1616
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:51,839
go to him he hypnotically regresses them

1617
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:54,480
okay who knows if these people

1618
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:56,160
are you know um

1619
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:57,520
uh uh

1620
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:59,200
are very suggestive

1621
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:01,520
okay whether he has leading questions or

1622
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:04,000
not you know these things are not put

1623
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:05,680
out to the public the hypnotic

1624
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:07,039
regressions of these

1625
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:08,880
individuals okay

1626
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:10,000
um

1627
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,799
and and so he then after these 15 people

1628
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:14,559
he's hypnotically regressed he comes out

1629
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:16,640
with a book these hybrids are taking

1630
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:18,480
over the world

1631
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:19,920
okay now

1632
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:21,520
compare that to what we're doing with

1633
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:23,119
free okay

1634
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:27,440
we specifically asked in our surveys

1635
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:29,839
we only want responses that are based

1636
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:33,200
off conscious explicit memory

1637
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:34,000
okay

1638
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:37,359
not memories from hypnotic regression

1639
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:40,559
not memories from lucid dreams

1640
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:43,039
or any of these other types of sources

1641
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:45,920
okay it has to be memories based upon

1642
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:48,960
conscious explicit memory

1643
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:53,119
also we did not just wait till you know

1644
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:53,839
uh

1645
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:55,760
go to people in your neighborhood or

1646
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:57,920
people in your location or people that

1647
01:06:01,349 --> 01:06:00,000
you met at a ufo conference to try to

1648
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:01,359
interview them and for you to do your

1649
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:03,760
little research okay

1650
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,599
again that there are numerous problems

1651
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:07,280
with that methodology

1652
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:10,400
okay because you're being self-selective

1653
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:12,880
and being very uh uh

1654
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:14,079
um

1655
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,799
myopic in terms of where you're going

1656
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:18,400
and you're getting your sample pull for

1657
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,480
this type of research okay what you

1658
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:22,240
could say is that this particular

1659
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:24,000
experience happened to

1660
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:26,880
joe x this other particular experience

1661
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:29,280
uh uh happened to mary z

1662
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,559
okay but you cannot make any type of of

1663
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:34,640
comprehensive analysis of what's going

1664
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,119
out and not on in the field

1665
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:39,440
okay because in order to be able to do

1666
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:42,160
that you have to do the approach that we

1667
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:43,839
took in our free experience or research

1668
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:46,480
study so i wouldn't you know encourage

1669
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:48,319
people to do these types of

1670
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:50,240
investigations but again

1671
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,880
um you're just documenting what happened

1672
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:54,640
what's happened to these specific

1673
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:55,760
individuals

1674
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:56,640
okay

1675
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:59,039
and and then again you have to know what

1676
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:01,119
questions to ask because

1677
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:03,760
there have been in the past a

1678
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:08,000
limited amount of research on abductees

1679
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:11,039
okay that have been uh published but

1680
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,280
these are basically uh studies that were

1681
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:15,520
less than 50 questions

1682
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,760
and most of these questions focused only

1683
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:20,400
on abductees so the questions that were

1684
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:22,799
asked were questions that are

1685
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:24,799
circulating in the internet they they

1686
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:26,480
probe you that they put an implant in

1687
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:29,280
you that they you know do an anal probe

1688
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:31,680
on you you know uh et cetera et cetera

1689
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:33,920
you know did they extract semen from you

1690
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:35,599
that they cut up your ovaries and take

1691
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:38,240
your you know ovum out you know

1692
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:39,760
these are the type of questions that

1693
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:42,400
historically were asked in this field

1694
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:43,440
okay

1695
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:45,119
we asked those type of questions

1696
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:46,720
obviously but

1697
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:49,359
we asked an additional 500 additional

1698
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,119
questions that are not normally

1699
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:53,520
associated with this uh with the

1700
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:56,400
abduction scenario because we knew

1701
01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:59,839
from the people involved uh in our uh

1702
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,000
board of directors people that have been

1703
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:04,240
working with experiences for over 30

1704
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:05,359
years

1705
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,160
that this phenomenon is so much more

1706
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:10,480
complicated than than just the abduction

1707
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:11,599
scenario

1708
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:13,520
so we included

1709
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:15,200
those type of abduction related

1710
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:17,040
questions that were about 100 of these

1711
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:19,199
type of questions but we included an

1712
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:21,520
additional 500 questions

1713
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:23,600
that went far and beyond that type of

1714
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:25,040
scenario

1715
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:26,560
and we'll get into those some of those

1716
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,400
questions moving on but i do want to ask

1717
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:30,799
you still you know how how is this a

1718
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:37,189
for everyone is totally different okay

1719
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:38,719
for everyone is totally different for

1720
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,120
many individuals for example i'll give

1721
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:43,199
you an example of one of my best friends

1722
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:45,199
here in miami okay

1723
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:48,799
his name is uh alberto okay albert in

1724
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:51,359
english okay he is retired

1725
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:54,799
federal dea agent okay he helped to

1726
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:57,040
bring down noriega when he was with the

1727
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,000
d.a okay he has a master's degree you

1728
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:02,880
know he was a mid-level dea agent okay

1729
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:06,319
he retired in 1986

1730
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:07,199
okay

1731
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:14,480
his wife is a phd psychologist

1732
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:17,440
his daughter is a phd psychologist both

1733
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:20,239
of them are also experiencers okay

1734
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:23,279
alberto had many many experiences many

1735
01:09:26,110 --> 01:09:25,040
but let me just give you the experiences

1736
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:26,120
that were

1737
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:29,120
spirituality oriented okay

1738
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:31,839
he was actually shown

1739
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,120
what the death process is like okay he

1740
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:37,279
was shown a near-death experience

1741
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:38,400
without

1742
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:39,520
dying

1743
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:42,159
okay he was taken through the tunnel

1744
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:43,359
okay

1745
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:45,199
he was shown the light at the end of the

1746
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,400
tunnel

1747
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:48,400
throughout this whole process they were

1748
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:50,880
telling him what is happening okay what

1749
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:53,759
is he seeing what he's going to see okay

1750
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:56,159
um he told me in detail you know that

1751
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,199
particular experience he then said that

1752
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:01,280
uh they told them that look you have to

1753
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:04,000
go into the light and through the light

1754
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:05,920
you don't want to look back and stay

1755
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:07,600
back okay

1756
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:09,199
there are a lot of people that are these

1757
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,239
um

1758
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:12,159
paranormal investigators that that are

1759
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:13,679
ghost hunters whatever you might want to

1760
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:15,679
call them okay

1761
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,480
a lot of mediums a lot of channelers a

1762
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,719
lot of people that have had contact also

1763
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:22,239
with non-human intelligence they were

1764
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:25,760
told that when you die the spirit

1765
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:27,120
you know the soul whatever you might

1766
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:29,040
want to call it goes into some other

1767
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:30,480
type of dimension

1768
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:32,320
but the people that are clinging and

1769
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:35,600
wanting to stay back in a 3d reality

1770
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:38,080
then a lot of them get stuck here you

1771
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:38,960
know

1772
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:42,000
as as ghosts as entities as spirits okay

1773
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,239
so what this entity in his experience

1774
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,320
told them basically look you know

1775
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:48,400
don't look back don't want to stay back

1776
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:49,280
okay

1777
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:50,800
go through the light and go where you're

1778
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:54,480
supposed to go okay um and

1779
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:57,440
another type of experience was that they

1780
01:11:03,030 --> 01:10:58,800
shown him

1781
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:03,040
okay that we are all um components of a

1782
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:06,239
universal mind okay this is a separate

1783
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:09,120
experience that when we die that our

1784
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:12,400
soul our spirit becomes um

1785
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:14,960
we go right back to source as well how

1786
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:16,400
is that a separate how is that a

1787
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:18,880
separate experience shouldn't that be um

1788
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,320
connected somehow or

1789
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:21,840
no no separate in terms of different

1790
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:22,960
days

1791
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:24,480
okay got it

1792
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:27,679
okay but it's it's it's it's similar to

1793
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,199
this whole aspect that you asked me

1794
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:31,360
about spirituality okay

1795
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:34,400
so but yet he's seen a small gray he's

1796
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:36,960
seen numerous types of of uh

1797
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:40,239
human-looking type of beings okay he's

1798
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:42,560
seen a whole boatload of ufos one time

1799
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:45,199
with over 50 people uh very up close

1800
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:49,360
when they were doing uh ce5 in um in

1801
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:50,320
peru

1802
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,320
in 1988

1803
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,239
so this is way before stephen greer

1804
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:56,560
there's this man called sixto pass

1805
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,120
uh who founded this group called grupo

1806
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:01,679
rama who began doing

1807
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:04,800
um you know what it is now called ce5

1808
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:07,920
group ce5 uh contact work they were

1809
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:10,320
doing this since the late 70s

1810
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:11,679
and so

1811
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:13,760
he's had numerous experiences where he

1812
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:19,910
ce5 individuals

1813
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:22,000
since the late 80s and they've had

1814
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,320
numerous types of of contact with ships

1815
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,480
and also beings in these types of

1816
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:28,480
interactions and this is fully well

1817
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:30,320
documented

1818
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,000
in the latin american literature it just

1819
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,239
hasn't come into the us you know because

1820
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:36,640
of the language differences he even

1821
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:40,560
showed me pictures of very up-close ufos

1822
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:48,830
newspapers it was taken by a newspaper

1823
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:52,640
um uh writers and the the the cameramen

1824
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:54,320
for the newspapers when they were in

1825
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,560
latin america several times so um the

1826
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,040
point that i'm getting at is that he's

1827
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:01,520
just one little example of so many

1828
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:04,239
different individuals that have had a

1829
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:07,679
whole range of experiences not only

1830
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:09,440
involving close

1831
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:12,400
contact with different types of entities

1832
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:14,719
they've had they've been taken aboard a

1833
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:16,719
ship they've been taken to other

1834
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,040
dimensions other realities they've been

1835
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:21,840
taught things they were given lessons by

1836
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,560
these beings and one of those lessons

1837
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:26,960
are uh one or more lessons on

1838
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:29,679
spirituality and i just threw out an

1839
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:33,600
example to you um so it's it's it's a

1840
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,440
that's why a lot of these people when

1841
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:37,679
there was time for answer that question

1842
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:39,679
they checked off that spirituality box

1843
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:41,920
because a lot of them have had these

1844
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:43,920
types of spiritual lessons

1845
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:46,960
but again the internet only focuses on

1846
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:48,320
fear

1847
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:54,000
they put all these pictures of these

1848
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:55,520
ugly grace so when you go to the

1849
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:57,679
internet you think all the experiences

1850
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:59,679
are associated with grace but in fact

1851
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:01,520
the grays are actually number three type

1852
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:04,320
of beings that are seen by people and in

1853
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:07,040
fact the experiences are not negative 85

1854
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:09,679
percent of almost 4 000 people that have

1855
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:11,440
took our survey describe these

1856
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,239
experiences as positive and we're not

1857
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,080
just focusing on on just the english

1858
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:18,320
language survey the the statistics that

1859
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,159
i'm rattling off to you came from the

1860
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:22,800
english language survey in spanish we

1861
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:25,600
have almost 650 people that have taken

1862
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:26,960
our surveys

1863
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,120
in german 350 people as well and we're

1864
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:33,840
just getting uh the surveys launched in

1865
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:35,840
chinese

1866
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:37,040
okay

1867
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:40,400
so uh and also uh slovak and in french

1868
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:43,360
and again universally

1869
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:45,840
the vast majority of the individuals

1870
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:48,080
state their experiences have been very

1871
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:49,520
positive

1872
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:51,280
in whatever language you tell you're

1873
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:52,719
talking about

1874
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:55,280
well i will say that if i have to have a

1875
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,679
pin or a t-shirt i would much rather

1876
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:59,040
gray than

1877
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,520
a reptilian um that's just a personal

1878
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:03,600
preference and i think that you know

1879
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:06,560
people do have fun with the subject i

1880
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:08,480
think that can go both ways it could be

1881
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:09,600
um

1882
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:12,719
it could uh lessen the seriousness of it

1883
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,280
but it could also i think a lot i think

1884
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:17,280
it can encourage people to be more

1885
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,840
engaged in the subject which is also

1886
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,679
good um

1887
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:23,280
and just like anything in life i think

1888
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:24,640
there's a playful side to something in a

1889
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:26,800
serious side you know i think it's okay

1890
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:28,239
if people walk around with a gray's

1891
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:30,159
t-shirts and go to conventions

1892
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:32,159
if they are also

1893
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:34,960
taking the subject seriously and looking

1894
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:37,760
to find the best resources they can in

1895
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:39,600
their you know respective subjects that

1896
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:41,440
they are interested in

1897
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:44,560
well at this point there aren't too many

1898
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:46,880
uh resources when you're dealing with

1899
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:49,840
contact with non-human intelligence okay

1900
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:51,760
it's never been done before

1901
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:54,480
so a lot of these researchers and you

1902
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:56,719
know i could name four or five right off

1903
01:16:01,510 --> 01:15:59,120
the top but i don't want to get into

1904
01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:01,520
specific personalities here these are

1905
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,719
people who

1906
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:04,880
hear of an experiencer through a third

1907
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:07,360
party they then many of them are actual

1908
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:08,719
researchers like you said lay

1909
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:10,320
researchers out in the field they'll

1910
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:12,560
call in the molten how oh i researched

1911
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,640
this case of this person you know

1912
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:17,040
you know blah blah blah she'll then uh

1913
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,800
oh can i speak with this person and all

1914
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:20,400
of a sudden she takes that case

1915
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,000
including all the data written by that

1916
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,880
person and then does a whole you know uh

1917
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:27,040
write-up you know for one of her radio

1918
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:29,440
shows okay so that's how these things

1919
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:31,840
are done so what you're getting is it's

1920
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:33,920
a very limited perspective what's going

1921
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:36,960
on at an individual basis okay but in

1922
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:38,880
this comprehensive

1923
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:42,080
uh way in done in an academic

1924
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:45,280
academically neutral way neutral format

1925
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:47,199
of collecting that data no one has ever

1926
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:48,480
done this before

1927
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:49,760
right and there's no denying the

1928
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:52,560
importance of that um but you can't deny

1929
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:53,440
that

1930
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,159
it if it weren't for decades of people

1931
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:58,080
writing about these experiences whether

1932
01:17:01,110 --> 01:17:00,000
it's subjective a collection

1933
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:01,120
of

1934
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:02,960
witness experiences put together in a

1935
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:06,880
book etc etc then free may not even have

1936
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:08,480
the reach that it has now because so

1937
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:10,719
many people are actually interested in

1938
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:12,320
the subject and listening to programs

1939
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:15,600
like this yeah i mean dr john mack

1940
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:16,960
he first started with his book

1941
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:19,280
abductions uh all of the people in that

1942
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:21,520
book were people that were sent to him

1943
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:23,199
by bud hopkins

1944
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:25,440
and bud hopkins saw this phenomenon as

1945
01:17:29,830 --> 01:17:28,640
purely negative you know purely negative

1946
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:29,840
so

1947
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:32,400
when dr mack first started in this okay

1948
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,760
he had this approach that these people

1949
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:35,040
are having these types of negative

1950
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:36,800
experiences that's why he turned his

1951
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:39,840
book abductions okay even though he did

1952
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,560
go into some of the more in-depth

1953
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,560
aspects of their experiences now with

1954
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,040
his second book passport to the cosmos

1955
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:49,280
that he wrote it was like six or seven

1956
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,400
years later

1957
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:52,560
then he had his own

1958
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:54,320
group of individuals that had gone to

1959
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:57,280
him that weren't filtered by bud hopkins

1960
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:59,760
and and in that book uh he only wrote

1961
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:01,360
out i think it was like maybe 15

1962
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:03,600
individuals he mentioned 15 individuals

1963
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:05,840
but his book was uh i think it was

1964
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:07,280
10

1965
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:09,520
case studies of individuals so it wasn't

1966
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:12,560
a lot of people okay um but at least he

1967
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:14,400
was able to write the description of

1968
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:17,440
these ten cases okay and he knew at that

1969
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:19,840
point that this phenomenon is not just

1970
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:21,760
an abduction phenomenon it's way way

1971
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:24,400
more complicated than that he knew that

1972
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,840
many of these people were seeing these

1973
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,360
experiences as positive as

1974
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:29,679
transformative

1975
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:31,840
even his books mentioned an awakening a

1976
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:33,920
transformation

1977
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:36,880
but unfortunately he could not

1978
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:39,040
you know he did not live long enough to

1979
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:41,440
be able to do what we're doing in free

1980
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:44,640
um and he always longed for that because

1981
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:47,520
uh after he died he had a uh uh it was

1982
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:51,360
this group uh established a co-pier

1983
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:52,800
excuse me

1984
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:55,679
which is this um cross-disciplinary type

1985
01:19:00,630 --> 01:18:58,640
of research on on this phenomenon

1986
01:19:02,310 --> 01:19:00,640
and uh it survived for several years

1987
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:02,320
after he passed away

1988
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:04,719
uh but we're actually implementing uh

1989
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:08,159
his vision and without dr mack

1990
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:09,840
you know free would not exist because

1991
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:12,239
free was actually one of the members of

1992
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:13,600
that peer group

1993
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:16,000
dennis briefer in our board of directors

1994
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:17,600
was one of the members of that peer

1995
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:18,400
group

1996
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:20,560
rudy was actually

1997
01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:21,280
the

1998
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:23,360
individual that taught dr mack about

1999
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:25,760
consciousness and the multi-dimensional

2000
01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:28,080
nature of our reality and why some of

2001
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:29,400
these entities might be

2002
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:31,920
multi-dimensional entities that might

2003
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:34,000
come here from another dimension why

2004
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:35,760
they might be using holographic

2005
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:38,000
projections

2006
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:39,840
so um

2007
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:41,679
so we're actually implementing a lot of

2008
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:42,880
those

2009
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:46,960
early visions that dr john mack had

2010
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:48,880
what have your studies shown about

2011
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:51,760
potential holographic projections

2012
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:54,000
well we haven't gotten uh into those

2013
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:55,760
type of questions those types of

2014
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:58,000
scenarios would come about in the

2015
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:01,120
in-depth uh interviews

2016
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:02,880
this information came

2017
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,760
via

2018
01:20:06,630 --> 01:20:05,280
the phase three when people were asked

2019
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:06,640
to write out the details of their

2020
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:09,679
experiences and also talking to you know

2021
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:11,920
hundreds of experiencers myself

2022
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:12,960
that

2023
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:15,199
many of these uh um

2024
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:16,719
interactions

2025
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:19,280
um

2026
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:20,320
involve

2027
01:20:24,630 --> 01:20:23,120
changing of material from one object to

2028
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:24,640
another for example

2029
01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:27,040
many times an orb would go right through

2030
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:27,920
a wall

2031
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:29,840
and appear in the living room out of the

2032
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:30,800
orb

2033
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:32,960
a little being might come out or a human

2034
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:36,080
looking being might come out

2035
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:38,239
then this being might just disappear

2036
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:39,920
right in front of you

2037
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:41,920
materialized okay

2038
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:43,040
so

2039
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:44,719
we know

2040
01:20:48,630 --> 01:20:46,560
that these types of changes in the

2041
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:48,640
material essence of what people are

2042
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:51,120
looking at are happening okay

2043
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:52,800
no one can understand it obviously

2044
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,080
because we you know we don't even

2045
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:56,159
understand quantum physics how we're

2046
01:21:00,630 --> 01:20:58,800
going to be able to understand this

2047
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:00,640
being right in front of you just totally

2048
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,440
dematerializing right in front of you or

2049
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:05,600
an orb going through a wall

2050
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:06,560
um

2051
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:08,640
and uh all of a sudden out of an orb

2052
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:12,400
materializes some uh this being you know

2053
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,239
are these holographic projections are

2054
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:16,480
they real you know um

2055
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:18,560
these are all numerous questions that uh

2056
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:20,000
anybody that's in the internet that

2057
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:21,760
thinks they have an answer you know

2058
01:21:28,149 --> 01:21:23,840
they're they're totally you know a snake

2059
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:28,159
oil salesman um uh in fact uh free of

2060
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:29,840
the position of free is that no one

2061
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:31,840
knows what the hell is going on you know

2062
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:34,480
no one has an idea of what's going on

2063
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:37,679
um that uh in essence we have data that

2064
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:39,920
individuals that have told us to but to

2065
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:42,400
be able to explain what's going on and

2066
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:44,960
reasoning behind some of these things no

2067
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:47,040
one has that we're just in the infant

2068
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:50,080
stages of research

2069
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:54,639
decades of other people researching i

2070
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,080
guess you feel like you need to start

2071
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:58,239
from scratch and build from there what

2072
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:00,400
what have they researched

2073
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,040
well like john mack but hopkins

2074
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:05,280
what did he research he just documented

2075
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:07,120
15 case studies

2076
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:08,880
sure but that's research in itself i

2077
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:11,040
mean he didn't do surveys like you did

2078
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:11,760
but

2079
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:14,320
he never worked with more than 200

2080
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:15,920
individuals

2081
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:18,400
okay in i believe 15 years of working

2082
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:20,480
with experiencers he never worked with

2083
01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:23,360
more than 200

2084
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:23,840
okay individuals

2085
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:25,040
but it doesn't take away from the

2086
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:26,960
importance of his work no i'm not taking

2087
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:28,080
away from the importance of his work

2088
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:29,679
what i'm saying is

2089
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:30,719
what

2090
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:33,120
information do we have from his work

2091
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:35,600
what his work presented was basically

2092
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:38,639
questions if you listen to his lectures

2093
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:39,520
okay

2094
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,600
his lectures are do not come up with

2095
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:44,000
conclusions his lectures are basically

2096
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:45,199
questions

2097
01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:48,239
these are things that need to be pursued

2098
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:50,719
well are you able to separate your own

2099
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:53,440
um subjective experience from the study

2100
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,239
of donetfree i mean to say that you

2101
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:58,159
because it sounds to me like you think

2102
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:00,560
that um what's happening

2103
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:02,400
uh tends to be leaning towards a more

2104
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:13,830
before we even publicize the data

2105
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:15,760
okay the questions that we asked for

2106
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:17,440
example how did you describe your

2107
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:19,120
experience for example with that short

2108
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:19,920
gray

2109
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:22,239
um was it positive

2110
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:24,560
negative or neutral and i could go into

2111
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:27,040
you know the the how the people answered

2112
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:29,199
uh that response with the different type

2113
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:31,760
of beings so you you'll you'll tell me

2114
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:34,400
whether these questions are um are are

2115
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:36,239
leading or not we asked them was the

2116
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:37,440
experience

2117
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:38,800
mainly negative

2118
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,639
was it slightly negative

2119
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:42,400
was it neutral

2120
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:44,639
was it slightly positive or was it

2121
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:47,120
mainly positive okay these are not

2122
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,800
leading questions these are just check

2123
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:50,480
off on the box okay

2124
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:52,960
also the way that we publicize uh to

2125
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:54,880
attract the experiencers i said before

2126
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:57,840
this was a worldwide uh uh project that

2127
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:00,320
went on for many many years in a neutral

2128
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:02,960
way trying to get individuals okay and

2129
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:05,600
and let me give you the data okay

2130
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:09,600
the energy being 55 of the individuals

2131
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,679
saw energy beings

2132
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,920
6.7 percent said that they were mainly

2133
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,679
negative

2134
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:17,360
the human looking beings human looking

2135
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,400
beings was 52

2136
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:22,639
only 5.2 percent said it was mainly

2137
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:24,080
negative

2138
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:25,760
the small grays

2139
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:27,760
50 of the people had interactions with

2140
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,440
small grays well guess what only 11.5

2141
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:33,199
percent that these experiences were

2142
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:34,719
mainly negative

2143
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:39,040
the ghosts and spirits spirit forms 47

2144
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:41,199
7.4 percent say they were mainly

2145
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,080
negative

2146
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:44,480
the tall grace 34

2147
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:45,760
of the individuals said they've had

2148
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:48,080
experiences with tall grays

2149
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:49,920
12 and a half percent said it was mainly

2150
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:52,960
negative okay the reptilians the evil

2151
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:55,280
dreaded reptilians

2152
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:58,639
okay 25 percent had experiences

2153
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:00,400
encounters with reptilians well guess

2154
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:03,040
what only two and a half 22 and a half

2155
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,360
percent said they were mainly negative

2156
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:07,440
the mantid beings the insectoid beings

2157
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:08,800
21

2158
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:11,520
had experiences with insectoids nine and

2159
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:14,639
a half percent it was mainly negative

2160
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:17,280
the tall animal beings we left it you

2161
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:19,679
know very open okay like for example

2162
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:21,920
sasquatch could fall into that category

2163
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,840
so the tall animal type of beings

2164
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,440
thirteen percent

2165
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,520
uh in that kind of category is there a

2166
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:29,520
notation where they can add

2167
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:31,440
something else in addition

2168
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:33,600
yes a descriptive word okay correct

2169
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,800
there was a box that they wanted to

2170
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:37,120
describe okay but also in phase three

2171
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:39,199
when they're asking the uh describing

2172
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,040
the details of the experience they were

2173
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:42,880
asked to write out the type of being

2174
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:44,880
describe it as much as you can so that's

2175
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:47,120
in phase three so the tall beings were

2176
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:50,159
seen by 13 and only 9.6 percent was

2177
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:51,520
mainly negative

2178
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,320
the small animal being again you know we

2179
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:57,120
just used small animal being as 14

2180
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:59,679
and it was 5.8 that was mainly negative

2181
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:01,280
so as you can see these are not leading

2182
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:04,159
questions ray hernandez had absolutely

2183
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,400
zero influence in how these people

2184
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:08,639
answered this question okay

2185
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:11,120
this was mainly this was derived only

2186
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:14,320
derived from the the 4 000 experiencer

2187
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:16,000
that were asking these questions and in

2188
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:19,520
english this was based up off of um

2189
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:21,040
this data i think we had at that point

2190
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:23,600
where we got this data from was uh 3

2191
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:26,639
200 individuals in the english language

2192
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:29,520
so this is a lot of people

2193
01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:32,719
and how did you actually get in touch or

2194
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:34,480
start to work with

2195
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:36,159
dr edgar mitchell initially on this

2196
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:38,080
project

2197
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:38,960
well

2198
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:41,920
uh edgar mitchell um heard uh about the

2199
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:44,320
experience and experience that i had

2200
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:46,719
and rudy called him up and talked to him

2201
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:48,560
both of them were working very closely

2202
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:51,120
for several years on this advanced

2203
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,560
theory of physics

2204
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:54,800
called the quantum hologram theory of

2205
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:56,800
consciousness and physics

2206
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:58,639
have you ever heard of the book the

2207
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:01,360
holographic universe by michael talbot

2208
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:02,400
sure

2209
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:05,440
okay yet that book was uh basically it's

2210
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:06,719
a synthesis

2211
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:09,840
of a theory that was jointly developed

2212
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:12,560
by uh david baum who was one of the

2213
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:14,560
leading theoretical physicists of the

2214
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,840
20th century and a contemporary uh uh

2215
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:19,679
and colleague of albert einstein at

2216
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:22,639
princeton in the early 1950s

2217
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:25,199
uh the other collaborator was carl

2218
01:27:30,110 --> 01:27:26,960
primum who

2219
01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:30,120
was probably the world's leading

2220
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,080
neuroscientist he was a professor at

2221
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,960
stanford university and also at yale so

2222
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:36,719
these are not in little rinky-dink

2223
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:38,960
community colleges here

2224
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:42,000
that work was then amplified by numerous

2225
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:43,920
phd physicists

2226
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:46,480
one of them is sir roger penrose i don't

2227
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:48,320
know if you've heard his name before

2228
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:49,840
okay i have yeah

2229
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:52,560
okay yeah the the name sir will tell you

2230
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:54,800
that uh you know the high level of this

2231
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:56,719
guy is taken into regard there's only

2232
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,960
two sirs in physics and that's sir

2233
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:00,880
stephen hawking and and sir roger

2234
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:04,239
penrose so he basically is an adherent

2235
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:08,159
to uh david baum's theory uh

2236
01:28:12,830 --> 01:28:10,239
which was then later on

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01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:12,840
subsequently modified a little bit

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01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:15,840
um to the quantum hologram theory of

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01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:18,800
consciousness so edgar and rudy had been

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working for over

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01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:23,280
edgar at least for 20 years on modifying

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01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:25,440
this theory with numerous physicists

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01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:28,000
around the world but mainly um several

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01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:30,639
physicists at stanford university uh

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01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:34,239
russell targ hal put off uh bernard

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01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:35,679
haich

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01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:37,760
and rudy was one of these individuals so

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01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:40,239
rudy told that girl about this uh and

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01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:42,400
edgar invited me to his house

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01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:44,560
and and that's how uh i became

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01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:47,600
associated with edgar

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01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:49,280
okay and

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01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,760
edgar um unfortunately who's not with us

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01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:53,440
anymore um

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01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:54,880
what was his hope

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01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:56,560
before before he passed away what was

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01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:58,560
his hope for free

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01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:01,520
well he uh clearly understood the need

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01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:04,400
for a comprehensive academic research

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01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:07,520
study of the experiencer um

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01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:08,800
you know

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01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:10,960
he had uh people a lot of people don't

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01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:12,159
know

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01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:14,800
he had been speaking with numerous

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01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,880
experiencers for many many years except

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01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:18,960
he never publicly talked about it

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01:29:24,629 --> 01:29:21,280
because the field of experience or

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01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:24,639
research is still a taboo subject okay

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01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:26,719
you ask anyone in parapsychology they

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01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:28,880
won't touch it with a 10 foot pole you

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01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:31,199
ask dean rayden any of the esp

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01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:32,719
researchers they won't touch it with a

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01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:34,800
10-foot pole you'll ask the folks at

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01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:36,880
ryan they won't touch it with a 10-foot

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01:29:41,830 --> 01:29:40,000
pole the remote the monroe institute the

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01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:41,840
university of virginia the division of

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01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:43,440
perceptual studies

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01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:45,120
they won't touch this with a 10-foot

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01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:47,840
pole okay uh the incident for knowledge

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01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:50,960
sciences that edgar started okay ions

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01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:53,360
they will not touch the whole field of

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01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:55,920
ufo contact with a 10-foot pole there

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01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:57,280
doesn't seem to be much investment

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01:30:02,709 --> 01:29:59,679
opportunities in 10-foot poles then

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01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,719
none whatsoever okay so edgar knew that

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01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:04,560
this was a taboo feel so he never

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01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:07,920
publicly discussed that but he had been

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01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:10,480
uh talking with you know hundreds of

2289
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:12,000
experiencers and i know many of them

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01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,159
that were very close friends of edgar so

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01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:16,719
he always had this interest that we need

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01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:17,760
to take

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01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:19,120
this research

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01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:21,440
and take it seriously just like we

2295
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:23,600
studied you know advanced physics just

2296
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:25,360
like the quantum hologram theory was

2297
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:27,840
taken seriously by numerous pc

2298
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:30,159
physicists all around the world and was

2299
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:32,880
amplified okay and edgar was a part of

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01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,520
that he wanted to do the same thing with

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01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:37,679
the the contact field

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01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:39,920
and so he knew that this study was of

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01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:41,760
utmost importance and he actually

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01:30:46,390 --> 01:30:44,400
participated up until his death in our

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01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:46,400
research study he was one of the people

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01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:48,400
that guided the development of this

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01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:51,120
research study would give us feedback uh

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01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:52,800
i would go to his house you know like

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01:30:56,709 --> 01:30:54,400
every month or every other month the

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01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:56,719
pending and and go over all the details

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01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:57,920
of what we're doing in free he

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01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:00,880
participated in our board of directors

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01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:02,960
and i'll work okay let's let's hold it

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01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:04,560
right there we'll pick it up when we

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01:31:09,590 --> 01:31:07,679
come back for the last segment of the uh

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01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:09,600
the show for this episode and the

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information just keeps flying in ray's

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got plenty to share um and i know that

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there's more that you've been dying to

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share that i've been

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holding you back from so this last part

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here let's get everything in that we can

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this is alan b smith for paranormal now

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on the inception radio network stay

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welcome back to paranormal now on the

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inception radio network my guest is ray

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hernandez um the

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well probably most prominent uh

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representative and uh

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co-founder of free

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the foundation for research into

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extraterrestrial encounters

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if you've not yet heard of them they are

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doing

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um

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what many consider be very important

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work in the field of ufology and

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paranormal as far as studies go

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hopefully indeed this is groundbreaking

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according to ray hernandez it already is

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around groundbreaking

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and if you like the song coming out of

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she is a local here in new york city and

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someone i've had the opportunity to work

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and perform with as well

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01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:49,120
so ray um

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01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:51,120
i know that you have so much more

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information that you wanted to share so

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right now in this last portion of the

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the show

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01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:58,639
um what is the most important thing that

2384
01:34:01,270 --> 01:34:00,159
you want to get out right now before we

2385
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:01,280
forget

2386
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:03,440
thank you because um most of the time

2387
01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:04,880
when people are interviewed they have to

2388
01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:07,120
respond to a question and they could

2389
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:09,199
never relay you know what what they

2390
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:11,040
believe is really important

2391
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:13,360
but let me just uh clarify the name of

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01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:15,440
our organization

2393
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:18,400
was changed is the dr edgar mitchell

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01:34:24,030 --> 01:34:19,679
foundation

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01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:24,040
for research into extraterrestrial and

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01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:25,679
extraordinary

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01:34:29,910 --> 01:34:27,440
experiences

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01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:29,920
okay we included extraordinary because

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01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,360
it deals with all of the paranormal

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01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:35,520
aspects of these experiences they're not

2401
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:39,520
encounters their experiences okay

2402
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:43,280
in terms of free our organization we are

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01:34:49,510 --> 01:34:46,400
an academic research institute

2404
01:34:51,110 --> 01:34:49,520
we are a 501c3 academic research

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01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:51,120
institute

2406
01:34:56,470 --> 01:34:54,480
comprised of seven phd

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01:34:58,390 --> 01:34:56,480
academics most of them are retired

2408
01:35:01,189 --> 01:34:58,400
academics

2409
01:35:02,950 --> 01:35:01,199
we also have five lay researchers but

2410
01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:02,960
this is not just in person these are

2411
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:05,280
people that have been working with

2412
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:07,520
experiencers most almost all of them for

2413
01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:10,480
over 30 years we have kathleen martin

2414
01:35:15,110 --> 01:35:12,800
who is the director of mufon's

2415
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:15,120
experience her research study she wrote

2416
01:35:19,830 --> 01:35:17,280
the book on benny and barney hill she's

2417
01:35:21,189 --> 01:35:19,840
written three books with stan friedman

2418
01:35:23,110 --> 01:35:21,199
okay

2419
01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:23,120
she's worked with experiencers for over

2420
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:24,400
30 years

2421
01:35:30,070 --> 01:35:26,960
rosemary ellen gilly she's written over

2422
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:30,080
75 books on different paranormal topic

2423
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:30,960
areas

2424
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:34,480
so i'm sure you know who she is okay

2425
01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:40,070
in but has been in this field

2426
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:42,320
investigating the paranormal for over 30

2427
01:35:46,870 --> 01:35:44,719
years and has interviewed hundreds and

2428
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:46,880
hundreds of experiencers of different

2429
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:49,199
types of paranormal experiences

2430
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:50,880
mary rodwell

2431
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:53,360
again in this field for close to 30

2432
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:54,320
years

2433
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:57,360
she has worked with over 3 000

2434
01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:00,719
uh experiencers um so that's just three

2435
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:03,520
of of the five people in in our group

2436
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:05,520
that are on our board of directors in

2437
01:36:08,550 --> 01:36:06,960
terms of the the

2438
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:08,560
the phds

2439
01:36:15,030 --> 01:36:12,960
edgar was a phd uh from mit okay was

2440
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:15,040
trained as a aeronautical engineer and

2441
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:16,320
as a physicist

2442
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:20,000
uh dr rudy shields is an emeritus uh

2443
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:23,360
professor of astrophysics at uh harvard

2444
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:24,480
university

2445
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:27,199
we also have dr claude swanson

2446
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:30,000
uh dr swanson got his phd in physics

2447
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:31,520
from princeton

2448
01:36:35,110 --> 01:36:33,440
again these are not you know uh

2449
01:36:36,830 --> 01:36:35,120
community colleges here that we're

2450
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:36,840
talking

2451
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:39,679
about dr bob davis

2452
01:36:43,669 --> 01:36:42,159
he was a professor for over 35 years in

2453
01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:43,679
neuroscience

2454
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:46,239
at the state university of new york okay

2455
01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:47,760
this is these are tenanted professors

2456
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:50,000
we're talking about the other one is dr

2457
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:52,320
john klima who i talked about earlier

2458
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:53,840
and he

2459
01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:56,159
was a tenured professor for over 40

2460
01:37:03,590 --> 01:36:59,760
years in psychology and as i said he uh

2461
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:03,600
chaired over 200 phd dissertations 75 of

2462
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:05,280
them have been on the paranormal and

2463
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:07,360
he's written three books on different

2464
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:10,800
paranormal topic areas and and uh over

2465
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:14,400
50 articles academic articles uh mostly

2466
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:17,119
on the paranormal type of of topic areas

2467
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,880
he's not a parapsychologist even though

2468
01:37:23,990 --> 01:37:20,800
he's done a little bit of that so this

2469
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:24,000
is an academic okay we also have dr

2470
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:27,360
russell scalpone uh who has a phd in

2471
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:28,960
psychology and his specialty is

2472
01:37:33,430 --> 01:37:30,159
statistics

2473
01:37:36,310 --> 01:37:33,440
um the quantitative aspect of it we also

2474
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:36,320
have close to 10 other phds

2475
01:37:42,149 --> 01:37:40,560
that um that are uh advisors to free but

2476
01:37:45,270 --> 01:37:42,159
because of their the nature of their

2477
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:45,280
work they cannot come out publicly uh to

2478
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:46,560
say that look you know i'm on their

2479
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:48,080
board of directors for example there's a

2480
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:49,600
couple that are

2481
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:51,679
very well known names okay

2482
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:53,760
so um so i want people to understand

2483
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:55,040
this is not just a mickey mouse

2484
01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:57,040
organization this is at the highest

2485
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:59,440
level of academia is doing this work the

2486
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:01,920
oh how how did how i'm sorry ray just

2487
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:03,360
asked this whole thing how did everybody

2488
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:05,600
coordinate in order to come up with the

2489
01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:07,520
surveys that you came up with

2490
01:38:13,750 --> 01:38:12,550
and i mean that's

2491
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:13,760
and did people

2492
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,400
just like okay okay meeting every two

2493
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:18,320
weeks flushing things out flushing

2494
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:20,719
things out um coming out with possible

2495
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:23,040
questions okay uh the uh how to

2496
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:25,199
publicize this you know this is a whole

2497
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:28,480
year developing the research methodology

2498
01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:30,480
okay so this isn't just oh i'm gonna

2499
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:33,040
send in my email on make some comments

2500
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:34,719
here and there i mean this was an

2501
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:38,400
ongoing um consistent process

2502
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:40,320
this is an academic research study

2503
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:43,040
developed by academics in an academic

2504
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:45,440
format which usually takes you know many

2505
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:47,040
years to develop and many years to

2506
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:49,920
implement and our data uh we're halfway

2507
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:51,920
through our data data analysis and it's

2508
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,000
already been four years so you see what

2509
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:56,159
i'm getting at you know this is not uh

2510
01:38:59,750 --> 01:38:58,480
this is a very sophisticated process now

2511
01:39:03,669 --> 01:38:59,760
the other thing i want the audience

2512
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:03,679
members to understand is that um free is

2513
01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:06,480
is not a ufology organization okay we

2514
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:09,040
have zero interest in the nuts and bolts

2515
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,719
approach of ufology

2516
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:12,719
which almost every member of our board

2517
01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:15,600
believes has given us almost very little

2518
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:17,840
over the last 70 years you know really

2519
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:20,560
what has the 70 years of ufology given

2520
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,440
us

2521
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:23,280
okay

2522
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,719
that's well i mean

2523
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:28,719
that's not for you to give me a response

2524
01:39:32,470 --> 01:39:30,480
i'm just like

2525
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:32,480
that's the position of our board okay

2526
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:34,880
right no i hear you but are you speaking

2527
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:37,199
in terms of the experience or research

2528
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:39,520
or in terms of um eyewitness reports

2529
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:41,040
because i think the the work as far as

2530
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:43,840
eyewitness reports go and foia documents

2531
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:45,360
has been pretty good

2532
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:47,520
the field of ufology and and i don't

2533
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:48,880
want to take up a lot of time talking

2534
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:50,960
about that okay what our mission what

2535
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:52,560
our focus is

2536
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:54,800
we want to explore

2537
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:57,280
what is the true nature of our reality

2538
01:40:02,950 --> 01:39:59,600
that's the essence of who we are what is

2539
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:02,960
consciousness okay and our position is

2540
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:05,280
that by examining

2541
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:09,199
the role and impact of of one's reported

2542
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:10,400
um

2543
01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:11,920
experiences

2544
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:13,840
via non-human intelligence via the

2545
01:40:19,109 --> 01:40:15,520
contact modalities

2546
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:19,119
uh nde experiences obe experiencers uh

2547
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:20,800
all the different types of contact

2548
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:23,440
experiences by understanding and

2549
01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:25,280
researching these experiences and what

2550
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:27,760
they go through that will give you the

2551
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:30,480
kernels the nuggets okay the the

2552
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:33,679
understanding of what is consciousness

2553
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:36,000
okay because up until now consciousness

2554
01:40:39,669 --> 01:40:38,000
has been researched you know from a

2555
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:39,679
metaphysical perspective from a

2556
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:42,000
philosophical perspective from a physics

2557
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:44,000
perspective from a materialist

2558
01:40:48,629 --> 01:40:46,000
perspective that involves the brain etc

2559
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:48,639
etc so our approach in our organization

2560
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:50,960
is that the experiencer of all these

2561
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:53,360
different contact modalities is the key

2562
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:55,760
to be able to un to begin to understand

2563
01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:57,920
what is consciousness and that is the

2564
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:59,920
true mission of organization we're an

2565
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:02,159
organization that is researching

2566
01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:04,880
consciousness now the reason why we did

2567
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:08,480
undertook the ufo related uh uh research

2568
01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:10,880
is was because it was never done before

2569
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:14,159
we had no basis no data no statistics no

2570
01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:16,960
true academic understanding of what is

2571
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:19,360
happening with the ufo contact

2572
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:22,880
experiencer okay later on but we do have

2573
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:24,960
a lot of information about near-death

2574
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:27,119
experiences why because there have been

2575
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:29,840
tons of scientific studies conducted by

2576
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:32,480
medical doctors by medical researchers

2577
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:34,480
in the field of near-death experiences

2578
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:36,800
okay the out-of-body experience that's

2579
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:38,960
another area that's we have limited very

2580
01:41:43,669 --> 01:41:41,360
limited research data on okay so

2581
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:43,679
eventually we want to be able

2582
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:45,199
to do research and out-of-body

2583
01:41:50,390 --> 01:41:47,760
experiences continue the research into

2584
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:50,400
near-death experiences and ask

2585
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:52,639
questions that are more related to the

2586
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:54,800
top of topic areas that we're focused in

2587
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:57,840
okay and then eventually down the road

2588
01:42:02,629 --> 01:41:59,840
many years later we want to be able to

2589
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:02,639
undertake comparative research analysis

2590
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:04,719
among the thousands of individual

2591
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,960
experiencers among these contact

2592
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:08,400
modalities

2593
01:42:14,149 --> 01:42:11,520
okay so so it seems to me then

2594
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:14,159
it's a radical idea a radical concept

2595
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:15,360
and that's why i'm saying a lot of

2596
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:17,760
people once they read their book they're

2597
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:19,280
not going to really understand what

2598
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:21,600
we're doing okay because it's it's so

2599
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:24,239
much on the fringe it's it's a paradigm

2600
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:26,719
establishing phenomenon that not that

2601
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:28,000
many people are going to be truly

2602
01:42:32,390 --> 01:42:29,760
understanding what we're doing

2603
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:32,400
so studying the experiencer

2604
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:35,280
is a path towards understanding

2605
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:36,560
consciousness

2606
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,639
correct and let me give you an example

2607
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:39,679
okay

2608
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:42,080
you have individuals in all of these

2609
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:44,159
three different modalities

2610
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:46,320
they're having contact with non-human

2611
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:47,520
intelligence

2612
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:50,320
many of these individuals are taken

2613
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:53,600
to another reality okay

2614
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:56,480
for example in both the ufo contact

2615
01:43:04,550 --> 01:42:57,840
experiences

2616
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:04,560
are taken to these matrix type of

2617
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:05,760
realities

2618
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:07,600
okay so sort of like the picture of the

2619
01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:09,920
matrix okay where they're in there and

2620
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:11,760
they're living this experience like it's

2621
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:13,360
very very real

2622
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:16,880
they're encountering uh other beings

2623
01:43:20,709 --> 01:43:18,880
non-human intelligent beings that are

2624
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:20,719
interacting with them teaching them

2625
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:22,880
things showing them things okay they're

2626
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:26,719
seeing other realities okay and um so

2627
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:29,119
this is one of the one of the many many

2628
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:30,800
commonalities among these three

2629
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,040
different types of experiences

2630
01:43:38,070 --> 01:43:35,760
so if we're getting uh

2631
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:38,080
this experience as one of the major

2632
01:43:41,590 --> 01:43:39,440
commonalities that these three

2633
01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:41,600
experiences have what does that then

2634
01:43:44,229 --> 01:43:42,719
tell you

2635
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:44,239
about consciousness

2636
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:47,520
the other factor is space and time okay

2637
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:49,280
all of these three phenomena have a

2638
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:52,159
component that time doesn't not exist

2639
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:53,920
for example my own father had a

2640
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:55,760
near-death experience

2641
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:57,440
and he came back and he told me look i

2642
01:44:00,550 --> 01:43:59,360
was up there in heaven for 20 to 30

2643
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:00,560
years

2644
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,639
he says

2645
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:06,560
he was shown all the good things that

2646
01:44:10,229 --> 01:44:08,239
and the bad things he had been he had

2647
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:10,239
done in his life in the literature it's

2648
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:12,400
called the life review okay

2649
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:14,639
he told me that life review lasted 20 to

2650
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:16,639
30 years

2651
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:19,119
okay this is a common theme of many

2652
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:20,880
people that have had ufo contact

2653
01:44:25,030 --> 01:44:22,719
experiences that are taken to other

2654
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:25,040
realities they mentioned that time does

2655
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:26,560
not exist

2656
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:28,000
that they could have been in this

2657
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,000
location weeks

2658
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,560
okay and that experience lasted weeks

2659
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:34,320
but then you know they were brought back

2660
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:36,080
and it's two hours later

2661
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:38,320
same thing with a near-death experience

2662
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:40,719
many of the near-death experiences state

2663
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:42,880
that in that experience time does not

2664
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:44,000
exist

2665
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:48,400
our conception of it because if i

2666
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:50,400
understand quantum physics

2667
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:52,880
our conception of it okay

2668
01:44:56,790 --> 01:44:55,040
because it is considered a part of the

2669
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,800
actual makeup of the universe isn't

2670
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:58,800
isn't time and space considered

2671
01:45:09,510 --> 01:44:59,440
i

2672
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:09,520
one

2673
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:12,400
reality but in actuality time does not

2674
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:13,520
exist

2675
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:15,600
okay so in theory you can go back in

2676
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:16,800
time

2677
01:45:20,950 --> 01:45:18,719
okay and then there's debate whether you

2678
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:20,960
can go forward in time numerous phd

2679
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:23,600
physicists from berkeley from stanford

2680
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:26,560
from cal tech from mit from harvard at

2681
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:28,880
the highest at cambridge at the highest

2682
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:31,119
highest levels

2683
01:45:34,870 --> 01:45:32,639
mentioned that there is the possibility

2684
01:45:36,709 --> 01:45:34,880
of going back in time

2685
01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:36,719
okay

2686
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:39,040
there's lectures on youtube

2687
01:45:43,669 --> 01:45:41,280
by numerous physicists

2688
01:45:45,350 --> 01:45:43,679
that talk about that concept okay so

2689
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:45,360
what we're getting at is that these

2690
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:48,080
experiencers are giving little nuggets

2691
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:49,520
little kernels

2692
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:52,080
about our cosmology about our reality

2693
01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:54,080
about consciousness okay

2694
01:45:58,149 --> 01:45:55,600
that the soul

2695
01:46:00,629 --> 01:45:58,159
you know that consciousness is non-local

2696
01:46:01,430 --> 01:46:00,639
it's independent of the brain

2697
01:46:03,669 --> 01:46:01,440
okay

2698
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:03,679
and that consciousness might live

2699
01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:06,880
outside of our physical body

2700
01:46:10,470 --> 01:46:08,480
okay and

2701
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:10,480
these are just examples that i'm getting

2702
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:11,440
at

2703
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:13,760
in terms of once we're able to do these

2704
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:16,080
cross-comparative type of studies

2705
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:18,480
of the various experiences of these

2706
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:21,199
contact modalities it would then give us

2707
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:22,960
additional information of what is the

2708
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:26,639
true nature of our reality

2709
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:28,880
so that that's one very important

2710
01:46:33,270 --> 01:46:30,320
component that i want people to

2711
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:33,280
understand of what our organization is

2712
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:35,920
is is doing a lot of people might think

2713
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:37,360
that we're doing this questionnaire and

2714
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:39,040
ufo contact that we're a ufology

2715
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:42,239
organization no we have zero interest in

2716
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:43,840
going out into a field with a geiger

2717
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:46,320
counter if someone has talked about uh

2718
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:48,000
you know they saw you a whole land on

2719
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:50,000
their backyard you know that that's

2720
01:46:54,709 --> 01:46:51,920
uh we have zero interest in that you

2721
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:54,719
know so there's questionnaires are they

2722
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:56,080
separate for

2723
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:57,760
someone who has a ufo experience an

2724
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:59,679
alien experience um out of body

2725
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:01,679
experience or is this all one

2726
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:05,119
um encompassing questionnaire

2727
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:07,840
if if you let me go into the data i'll

2728
01:47:10,950 --> 01:47:09,920
give you some interesting information

2729
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:10,960
it's one

2730
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:12,639
questionnaire

2731
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:15,440
that's focused on individuals

2732
01:47:20,149 --> 01:47:18,480
that have seen a ufo

2733
01:47:22,310 --> 01:47:20,159
and have had

2734
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:22,320
some type of contact with the non-human

2735
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:24,000
intelligence

2736
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:26,400
okay that's what the target is here

2737
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:29,360
all right now what we found out

2738
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:31,840
was that

2739
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:34,080
what we found out basically uh

2740
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:37,040
reinforces our hypotheses

2741
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:38,320
that all

2742
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:39,760
of these

2743
01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:42,320
uh contact experiences the contact

2744
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:43,600
modalities

2745
01:47:47,270 --> 01:47:45,119
are not separate

2746
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:47,280
but are actually interrelated

2747
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:48,239
okay

2748
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:49,840
let me go into some of the specifics

2749
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:51,040
here

2750
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:52,560
eighty percent

2751
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:55,280
of these individuals

2752
01:48:02,310 --> 01:48:01,109
okay eighty percent

2753
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:02,320
okay

2754
01:48:05,109 --> 01:48:03,360
roughly

2755
01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:05,119
95

2756
01:48:07,990 --> 01:48:06,400
have had

2757
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:08,000
one or more type of paranormal

2758
01:48:11,669 --> 01:48:10,159
experiences and we had different boxes

2759
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:11,679
that they could check off

2760
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:13,199
most of these people have had multiple

2761
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:15,119
types of paranormal experiences like

2762
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:16,960
bookshelves flying off

2763
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:18,800
you know um

2764
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:19,600
uh

2765
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:24,480
orbs interacting with orbs et cetera et

2766
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:25,360
cetera

2767
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:27,600
let me go into some of these

2768
01:48:32,709 --> 01:48:29,199
67

2769
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:32,719
have had a past life memory

2770
01:48:35,189 --> 01:48:33,760
okay

2771
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:35,199
46

2772
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:38,639
have had a near-death experience

2773
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:39,920
47

2774
01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:41,920
have seen what is called commonly in the

2775
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:45,040
literature shadow people shadow beings

2776
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:46,639
okay

2777
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:47,920
we've had

2778
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:48,960
um

2779
01:49:03,109 --> 01:48:59,590
47

2780
01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:03,119
have met and and conversed with a

2781
01:49:08,629 --> 01:49:07,350
okay

2782
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:08,639
49

2783
01:49:13,270 --> 01:49:10,960
have seen their body out in space

2784
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:13,280
leaving planet earth i'm sorry you said

2785
01:49:18,629 --> 01:49:16,080
39 or 49 49

2786
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:18,639
okay 45

2787
01:49:22,390 --> 01:49:20,800
have memories of visiting what is called

2788
01:49:23,590 --> 01:49:22,400
the spirit world

2789
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:23,600
45

2790
01:49:27,109 --> 01:49:25,119
okay

2791
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:27,119
66 percent

2792
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:29,520
have seen an orb inside their home not

2793
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:32,320
in a picture but physically seen an orb

2794
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:34,800
then we even asked them to describe

2795
01:49:39,430 --> 01:49:37,119
the color orb okay

2796
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:39,440
46 percent

2797
01:49:45,350 --> 01:49:42,960
have seen an orb go through a wall

2798
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:45,360
or an object a physical object

2799
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:46,560
okay

2800
01:49:51,109 --> 01:49:48,320
so in

2801
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:51,119
60 percent have repeatedly experienced

2802
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:53,440
objects moving in their house without

2803
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:55,840
any logical

2804
01:50:02,310 --> 01:49:59,280
okay as i said to you before 51 of these

2805
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:02,320
individuals have had a medical healing

2806
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:05,360
okay by non-human intelligence

2807
01:50:08,950 --> 01:50:06,560
okay

2808
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:08,960
these are just this is just an example

2809
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:10,719
of the paranormal experiences that

2810
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:12,320
people are having

2811
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:13,679
so in essence

2812
01:50:17,669 --> 01:50:15,119
people are not having one type of

2813
01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:17,679
paranormal experience okay

2814
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:19,440
these individuals in our sample group

2815
01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:21,280
the ones that have had ufo-related

2816
01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:24,400
contact are having a whole cornucopia of

2817
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:26,320
paranormal experiences

2818
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:28,320
now when you compare that with people

2819
01:50:33,590 --> 01:50:30,639
that have had ndes

2820
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:33,600
very similar statistics okay from the

2821
01:50:38,149 --> 01:50:35,360
very small statistics that have been

2822
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:38,159
done okay that's why we want to get into

2823
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:39,840
this type of research with near-death

2824
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:41,360
experiences okay

2825
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:43,280
but a lot of what i'm telling you is

2826
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:45,520
anecdotally an anecdotal type of

2827
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:47,760
information we have a lady in our

2828
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:50,159
research committee who wrote her phd

2829
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:52,960
dissertation on near-death experiences

2830
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:55,199
okay we have several members in this

2831
01:50:58,709 --> 01:50:56,639
research committee that have had

2832
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:58,719
near-death experiences and they go on a

2833
01:51:03,270 --> 01:51:00,960
yearly basis to the international

2834
01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:03,280
association of near-death studies

2835
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:06,639
and as a matter of fact um i'm being

2836
01:51:11,189 --> 01:51:08,960
paid to fly out to boston to give a

2837
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:11,199
lecture to the international association

2838
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:13,520
of near-death studies to talk about the

2839
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:15,679
relationship between

2840
01:51:21,109 --> 01:51:18,080
uh near-death experiences and

2841
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:21,119
ufo-related contact experiences okay i

2842
01:51:23,830 --> 01:51:22,480
got i've actually had to say have a lot

2843
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:23,840
of respect for you for just coming out

2844
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:25,199
and saying hey i'm getting paid to do

2845
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:27,119
this um because most people will try to

2846
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:28,639
tiptoe around that

2847
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:30,800
yeah but still yeah yeah but still i

2848
01:51:36,550 --> 01:51:32,639
mean that's a hotel i'm paying for the

2849
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:37,350
okay

2850
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:40,239
saying you're getting they're giving you

2851
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:42,639
some money ray hernandez is losing money

2852
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:43,679
on this

2853
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:44,560
okay

2854
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:45,840
that's a lot different that's a lot

2855
01:51:49,270 --> 01:51:47,119
different yeah

2856
01:51:51,510 --> 01:51:49,280
ray hernandez is losing money on this

2857
01:51:53,669 --> 01:51:51,520
one thing is getting 375 dollars for

2858
01:51:55,910 --> 01:51:53,679
your airfare to be paid the other one is

2859
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:55,920
for three days to pay for room and board

2860
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:57,199
okay well i'm glad we clarified that

2861
01:52:02,070 --> 01:51:59,679
then okay good okay we were invited bob

2862
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:02,080
dr bob davis and i to give a lecture at

2863
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:04,000
yale university

2864
01:52:07,270 --> 01:52:04,960
okay

2865
01:52:09,430 --> 01:52:07,280
at the annual conference of the society

2866
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:09,440
for scientific exploration

2867
01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:11,440
okay we were asked to pay for a

2868
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:12,960
registration

2869
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:14,400
we were asked to pay for a room and

2870
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:17,599
board for three days okay this is a

2871
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:20,080
tremendous opportunity to talk among

2872
01:52:23,990 --> 01:52:21,760
academics that are focused it's a

2873
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:24,000
fantastic opportunity yeah okay

2874
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:26,639
fantastic iel university we had to

2875
01:52:31,030 --> 01:52:29,440
decline you know why

2876
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:31,040
you know how expensive it is for me to

2877
01:52:36,149 --> 01:52:34,080
fly up there okay to uh new haven

2878
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:36,159
connecticut for me to pay for a hotel

2879
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:38,639
for three days in new haven connecticut

2880
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:40,400
okay for me to pay for the actual

2881
01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:42,400
registration of that conference for

2882
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:44,320
three days which is close to four

2883
01:52:47,830 --> 01:52:45,920
hundred dollars

2884
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:47,840
okay with you know

2885
01:52:52,310 --> 01:52:49,599
you see well have you have you had any

2886
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:52,320
fundraising campaigns specifically um

2887
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:54,159
for those sort of opportunities where

2888
01:52:58,229 --> 01:52:56,480
you can say um after you've raised some

2889
01:53:00,390 --> 01:52:58,239
money you can set you can post online

2890
01:53:01,589 --> 01:53:00,400
okay here is here's the list this is

2891
01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:01,599
where i'm speaking this is where your

2892
01:53:04,390 --> 01:53:03,040
money is going that might that might

2893
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:04,400
help you out

2894
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:06,159
almost zero funding

2895
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:08,960
for this we have been self-funding

2896
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:10,480
the things that we're doing

2897
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:12,880
okay i have put in thousands of dollars

2898
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:14,960
of my own money okay we have to pay for

2899
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:18,560
example surveymonkey every year 300

2900
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:20,960
for each of the three survey monkeys

2901
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:22,159
because we're keeping the separate

2902
01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:23,760
languages separate

2903
01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:25,280
okay

2904
01:53:30,390 --> 01:53:27,760
every year it costs you know money to to

2905
01:53:32,950 --> 01:53:30,400
keep free operating and going we the

2906
01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:32,960
members of free are funding this we get

2907
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:34,719
contributions of twenty dollars fifteen

2908
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:36,000
dollars here and there that type of

2909
01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:38,639
thing but um we've had a couple meetings

2910
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:41,119
with some of the major donors that paid

2911
01:53:46,229 --> 01:53:43,440
millions of dollars to stephen grier for

2912
01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:46,239
his projects and his movies um stephen

2913
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:49,040
bassett that paid him you know uh a lot

2914
01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:50,880
of money for his uh

2915
01:53:55,510 --> 01:53:52,400
uh for his work

2916
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:55,520
and um these people have been burnt

2917
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:58,639
uh well i think that you guys

2918
01:54:02,870 --> 01:54:00,880
you should not you should not um

2919
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:02,880
miss out on the opportunity for yourself

2920
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:03,920
to do

2921
01:54:07,030 --> 01:54:06,000
public fundraising if you feel like you

2922
01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:07,040
know you can

2923
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:08,400
prove to the people

2924
01:54:12,390 --> 01:54:10,320
this is how your money is spent and do

2925
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:12,400
it responsibly i think that um there's

2926
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:14,560
so many different ways to fundraise on

2927
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:16,560
social media and online

2928
01:54:19,910 --> 01:54:18,480
yeah well we need volunteers someone

2929
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:19,920
that knows how to do you know a

2930
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:22,880
fundraising campaign to put uh

2931
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:24,560
for example i'm a full-time i work

2932
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:25,840
full-time

2933
01:54:28,870 --> 01:54:27,920
i work eight hours a day okay five days

2934
01:54:31,109 --> 01:54:28,880
a week

2935
01:54:32,709 --> 01:54:31,119
most of these other individuals uh these

2936
01:54:35,030 --> 01:54:32,719
retired professors

2937
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:35,040
um are retired academics you know they

2938
01:54:37,669 --> 01:54:36,400
have their own lives they're doing the

2939
01:54:40,149 --> 01:54:37,679
work with free

2940
01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:40,159
you know as as like a hobby on the side

2941
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:42,000
okay no one's being paid for this you

2942
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:43,920
know well look you have the air time now

2943
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:45,360
i mean do you do you want people to try

2944
01:54:49,350 --> 01:54:47,440
to contact you and help you we need

2945
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:49,360
volunteers for example i would love to

2946
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:51,679
do a kickstarter fundraising campaign

2947
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:53,119
someone that knows how to do that

2948
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:55,520
someone that has video editing uh type

2949
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:57,520
of skills uh for example i'm gonna be

2950
01:55:01,189 --> 01:54:59,440
going up to to boston when i go up there

2951
01:55:02,870 --> 01:55:01,199
to the international leader deaf studies

2952
01:55:05,589 --> 01:55:02,880
and i'm gonna be interviewing dr rudy

2953
01:55:07,669 --> 01:55:05,599
shields uh to pick his brain this is an

2954
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:07,679
extensive interview uh if someone could

2955
01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:10,560
do like a little you know a one-hour uh

2956
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:13,040
documentary on dr rudy shields on his uh

2957
01:55:17,510 --> 01:55:15,679
work with dr john mack on his theory

2958
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:17,520
that black holes are actually the source

2959
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:19,840
of the akashic records okay i mean i

2960
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:22,000
could go on and on his work went free

2961
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:23,760
these are things that i want to preserve

2962
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:26,239
um so we need tons of volunteers the the

2963
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:27,760
problem is that we just don't have these

2964
01:55:34,310 --> 01:55:29,040
people

2965
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:34,320
you if they can our email is info

2966
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:37,199
experiencer dot org

2967
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:39,760
okay and i will i will say oh info dot

2968
01:55:42,830 --> 01:55:41,040
i'm sorry

2969
01:55:49,109 --> 01:55:42,840
info

2970
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:49,119
experiencer.org okay um so yeah if

2971
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:50,880
anybody's listening and you want to um

2972
01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:51,920
help out

2973
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:53,920
free and ray um you know who how to get

2974
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:55,520
in touch with him um but i will say in

2975
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:57,440
defensive videographers out there

2976
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:59,520
because i've been down this road myself

2977
01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:00,960
i've done work

2978
01:56:05,350 --> 01:56:02,560
in videography thinking it was going to

2979
01:56:06,629 --> 01:56:05,360
be simple and um

2980
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:06,639
and it turns out to be a lot more

2981
01:56:11,270 --> 01:56:09,040
complicated so um if you are looking for

2982
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:11,280
someone to volunteer as a videographer i

2983
01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:13,199
i will tell you depending on the the

2984
01:56:18,790 --> 01:56:15,840
format um it can be a lot of work even

2985
01:56:20,470 --> 01:56:18,800
if it seems simple on the surface um but

2986
01:56:22,870 --> 01:56:20,480
that's for you and whomever else to

2987
01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:22,880
discuss when that time comes if i would

2988
01:56:27,669 --> 01:56:25,199
love something we could get a 15 minute

2989
01:56:29,830 --> 01:56:27,679
video that we could put on kickstarter

2990
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:29,840
describing what we're doing it free it

2991
01:56:36,310 --> 01:56:32,719
would have direct excerpts of dr rudy

2992
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:38,310
several of our other academic professors

2993
01:56:42,629 --> 01:56:40,000
involved in free mary rodwell for

2994
01:56:44,629 --> 01:56:42,639
example myself uh just talking about the

2995
01:56:47,270 --> 01:56:44,639
academic research that we're doing and

2996
01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:47,280
trying to solicit some monies um one of

2997
01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:49,040
the categories that we need money for is

2998
01:56:52,229 --> 01:56:51,360
that we're gonna be launching this book

2999
01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:52,239
um

3000
01:56:57,109 --> 01:56:54,320
and we need to then pay for these these

3001
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:57,119
copies you know uh up front and we just

3002
01:56:59,589 --> 01:56:58,239
don't have that money i mean ray

3003
01:57:01,430 --> 01:56:59,599
hernandez would have to be paying a few

3004
01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:01,440
hundred bucks rudy shields would have to

3005
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:03,119
be paying a few hundred bucks dr bob

3006
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:06,159
davis you know et cetera et cetera um so

3007
01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:08,400
if we can have a a kickstarter or

3008
01:57:12,070 --> 01:57:09,840
indiegogo or something like that a

3009
01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:12,080
little 15-minute video that would help

3010
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:14,400
launch that that would really help

3011
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:15,840
okay so right the next few minutes are

3012
01:57:20,149 --> 01:57:18,880
all yours before the show is over so um

3013
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:20,159
what do you have to share that you feel

3014
01:57:23,270 --> 01:57:22,480
like you really need to to get out there

3015
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:23,280
okay

3016
01:57:27,589 --> 01:57:25,760
free is going to be finishing

3017
01:57:29,350 --> 01:57:27,599
a book that's going to be totally

3018
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:29,360
paradigm

3019
01:57:34,310 --> 01:57:31,520
transformational in the fields of the

3020
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:34,320
paranormal parapsychology and ufology

3021
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:37,520
okay um this book uh is going to be

3022
01:57:42,310 --> 01:57:39,840
close to 800 pages

3023
01:57:44,870 --> 01:57:42,320
okay 800 pages in length it's going to

3024
01:57:47,270 --> 01:57:44,880
be the results of our

3025
01:57:49,350 --> 01:57:47,280
free experience or research study

3026
01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:49,360
some of the names that invol that are in

3027
01:57:52,390 --> 01:57:50,800
here have you ever heard of the name of

3028
01:57:53,830 --> 01:57:52,400
brad steiger

3029
01:57:56,470 --> 01:57:53,840
sure have you

3030
01:57:57,910 --> 01:57:56,480
okay he's writing the conclusion to this

3031
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:57,920
book

3032
01:58:01,750 --> 01:57:59,760
okay we have

3033
01:58:03,990 --> 01:58:01,760
six of our academic professors are going

3034
01:58:06,310 --> 01:58:04,000
to be writing

3035
01:58:08,229 --> 01:58:06,320
articles these are more that they're

3036
01:58:10,310 --> 01:58:08,239
it's all meant for the lay person but

3037
01:58:11,589 --> 01:58:10,320
these six theoretical pieces are going

3038
01:58:13,510 --> 01:58:11,599
to be focusing on what is the

3039
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:13,520
relationship between consciousness and

3040
01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:14,719
contact

3041
01:58:19,030 --> 01:58:16,560
okay so it's going to be six articles

3042
01:58:20,390 --> 01:58:19,040
again heavy duty articles some people

3043
01:58:21,830 --> 01:58:20,400
might be a little bit uncomfortable with

3044
01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:21,840
but it's very important to talk about

3045
01:58:26,629 --> 01:58:24,080
this theoretical piece okay

3046
01:58:29,270 --> 01:58:26,639
then uh we're going to be having two of

3047
01:58:30,229 --> 01:58:29,280
our free academic research articles in

3048
01:58:31,990 --> 01:58:30,239
the book

3049
01:58:34,149 --> 01:58:32,000
one is the synthesis of phase one and

3050
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:34,159
phase two the other one is phase three

3051
01:58:37,830 --> 01:58:35,520
and then let me go through the different

3052
01:58:39,830 --> 01:58:37,840
topic areas brent rains who's been in

3053
01:58:41,910 --> 01:58:39,840
this field for over 30 years he's going

3054
01:58:45,430 --> 01:58:41,920
to be talking about the history of ufo

3055
01:58:46,950 --> 01:58:45,440
contact paradigms okay um

3056
01:58:49,030 --> 01:58:46,960
mary rodwell is going to be talking

3057
01:58:51,350 --> 01:58:49,040
about the paradigm shift

3058
01:58:54,070 --> 01:58:51,360
embracing the universe is no longer

3059
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:54,080
about ufos but human consciousness are

3060
01:58:59,589 --> 01:58:56,400
we being assisted by human intelligence

3061
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to evolve into a new multi-dimensional

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species that's mary's my article is

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going to be uh talking about uh the

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terms abductee or contact d

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okay what is really going on what does

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our data tell us about this phenomenon

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01:59:17,990 --> 01:59:15,679
uh kathleen martin is going to be

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talking about uh the messages that

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experiencers have received by non-human

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intelligence she's going to be talking

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about the historical literature what has

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01:59:28,390 --> 01:59:26,719
that literature talked about messages

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from non-human intelligence from e.t

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whatever aliens whatever you might want

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to call them and also what does our

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01:59:34,790 --> 01:59:32,719
research study say

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robes rebecca hart castle wright is

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going to be talking about the the

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transformation that's taking place of

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the experiencer and again these are

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based upon 80 questions that we asked of

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how this person has changed reverend

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01:59:48,870 --> 01:59:46,880
michael carter is going to be talking

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about the spiritual transformation of

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01:59:55,030 --> 01:59:51,520
the contact experiencer and analysis of

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01:59:56,149 --> 01:59:55,040
the free data dr john clemo and susan

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01:59:58,149 --> 01:59:56,159
manowicz

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are going to be talking about scientific

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02:00:02,870 --> 02:00:00,159
information downloads

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received by contact experiencers

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okay they're going to be talking about

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02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:06,880
what the data has revealed dr joseph

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02:00:10,709 --> 02:00:08,400
burks and preston dennett are going to

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be talking about medical healings

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02:00:15,830 --> 02:00:13,760
reported by the contact experiencers

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02:00:18,470 --> 02:00:15,840
miguel mendoka who's written several

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02:00:20,229 --> 02:00:18,480
books on experiencers who also has uh

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who worked for 10 years for the united

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nations doing environmental work he's

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going to be talking about the ecological

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02:00:30,950 --> 02:00:28,880
message received uh for humanity that's

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been reported by the et contact

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02:00:35,270 --> 02:00:32,719
experiencers so he's going to be

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focusing on the ecological messages

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02:00:37,510 --> 02:00:36,880
okay we're going to have to we're going

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to

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you for for spending the time and

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explaining it as much as you could

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02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:45,440
within the short amount of time i know

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that you guys have covered a lot of work

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um and i hope that we can get you back

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on sometime in the future and pick up um

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02:00:56,070 --> 02:00:53,599
where we left off and when that book

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02:00:57,350 --> 02:00:56,080
gets published hopefully

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02:00:59,350 --> 02:00:57,360
you'll get some more attention and if

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02:01:01,669 --> 02:00:59,360
anyone out there is listening wants to

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support and help ray in his work with

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free

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you know how to get in touch with him

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02:01:09,189 --> 02:01:06,480
you could also go to experiencer.org

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and contact him through there

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and i just want to ask you real quick

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you said it's the dr edgar mitchell